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Exploder Pretending to be human Since: Jan, 2001
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#1: Apr 16th 2012 at 7:49:16 AM

OK, so a bit of a background explanation here. My Sonic fanfic series is a bit like Sonic X, except my aim is to explore 'Sonic ends up in our world for a few years' idea in a much more detailed and thorough manner, and all the possibilities that could occur.

However, as I continue writing and brainstorming, I keep feeling like Humans Are Bastards seems like an inevitable outcome.

I'll try to keep this spoiler-free, but (to very briefly summarize) so far I've written Sonic and co getting caught in the middle of a civil war instigated by Eggman/Robotnik and witnessing numerous horrors and atrocities (although I like to think I gave both sides somewhat even-handed treatment). Then after that, while Sonic tries helping out in other unstable countries, he is accused by some of being a government tool, although the UN and others are grateful to him for it.

So far, the ideas I have for later include Sonic really getting exploited by the US government for their own purposes and/or encountering other hostile governments, terrorist groups or criminal organizations being helped by Robotnik, who is also on the same planet, natch. Actually, it seems like Robotnik could actually be one to help expose Humans Are Bastards even further, as I'm making him essentially an arms dealer so that he can fund his own plans, so most of his customers aren't going to be nice people.

Then finally, it could even come to a point where the general population, who normally like Sonic, begin to get sick of Robotnik's Joker Immmunity causing so much damage across the world, and actually demand Sonic to kill him, which he of course can't, and when that happens, his fanbase plummets.

I feel like the conclusion, at least from the protagonists' perspective, could ultimately turn out to be something like how humanity is not suited to having Sonic and Robotnik around because of the numerous ways to exploit or be selfish about it, which doesn't seem to reflect on us very well. The Sonic characters being who they are, they wouldn't take such a conclusion very well.

I don't know, is there something I am not exploring here? Or is there a way to at least soften the blow of the conclusion? Or even invert it?

WackyMeetsPractical My teacher's a panda from Texas Since: Oct, 2009
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#2: Apr 16th 2012 at 3:28:20 PM

The story does sound like it could be effective social commentary, and the ending sounds fairly realistic to me. Although it'll help to keep in mind that humankind is not entirely homogeneous. You could throw in a Broken Base, in which most of the humans turn against Sonic, but a small group will continue to stand by him, and attempt to work with him to find a non-lethal way to deal with the villain. That'll at least make it a tad more optimistic.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#3: Apr 17th 2012 at 8:44:29 PM

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It saddens me that Inevitable proceeds Humans Are Bastards.sad

Still sounds like an interesting idea. I also agree that Sonic having some supporters regardless would be good. Things have got to be even handed and I doubt everyone would turn on him.

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ALibrarianofBabel Since: Apr, 2012
#4: Apr 18th 2012 at 4:07:24 AM

I don't see any of this as inevitable; it seems more like you have chosen to go with a Humans Are Bastards route and have decided to go in that direction at every opportunity.

For example:

Why is Robotnik/Eggman now playing the manipulative arms dealer who incites civil wars for profit? At least in the games I've played, he was traditionally trying to take over the world, not make a quick buck, and he never really manipulated anyone smarter than Knuckles - on the contrary, he was usually manipulated into forwarding the plans of the current unstoppable monster.

Why would Sonic be criticized as a government tool for helping out in third world countries? Compare people in real life doing similar things and you'll find that they are not viewed in that light. The "dog of the army" thing worked in Fullmetal Alchemist because it was a police state that recently had its superhuman soldiers commit genocide; move to our world where that context doesn't exist, and it doesn't make sense.

Why would Sonic be blamed for Robotnik/Eggman's Joker Immunity instead of the government? Why wouldn't the government ever do anything about Robotnik/Eggman whenever Sonic defeated him?

The Humans Are Bastards conclusion is only "inevitable" if you presuppose several Humans Are Bastards premises that are by no means necessary.

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Exploder Pretending to be human Since: Jan, 2001
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#5: Apr 18th 2012 at 6:40:50 AM

Thanks for the responses so far. I'll indeed take the Broken Base thing into consideration, which may actually reflect the way it is in Real Life as well.

[up]I shall clarify each point:

1. Robotnik had indeed been trying to do that on Mobius, but when he was transported to Earth, he lost a lot of his resources and secret bases, and has to start over from scratch. In what I've written so far, he was lucky enough to have been picked up by a terrorist group that helps him hide from the world, and he managed to impress them with his genius. He was unable to stay with them for long due to Sonic coming in, but managed to escape, and presumably does the same thing again with other terrorist groups.

2. Because Sonic had recently gained US citizenship and prior to that had lived with an American benefactor, an FBI agent and his family, in the US for months. Also, in the war-torn areas where he'd been helping out, new governments that aren't very nice nor democratic yet still friendly to the US tend to spring up in his wake after he leaves, causing suspicion of him. I hope that helps make the connection clearer.

3. Good question. I thought of trying something similar from The Dark Knight. I guess it's because since Sonic is so powerful, people think he can do things governments and militaries can't, as he's already caught other 'bad guys' in hiding while doing his humanitarian thing. So when Robotnik somehow keeps slipping away or breaking out of captivity after he's caught, people want Sonic to do something permanent about it. And because he's devoted to keeping Robotnik alive, he may even interfere with military attempts to kill Robotnik much like what happened to Osama Bin Laden.

ALibrarianofBabel Since: Apr, 2012
#6: Apr 18th 2012 at 1:36:07 PM

[up] Even if you can justify them in-universe, though, that's still your decision to go in that direction. Plenty of reasonable alternatives exist. Robotnik COULD incite wars and deal arms to both sides... but he could also just make a fortune selling off a couple of inventions. Sonic COULD be viewed with suspicion... but that's hardly an inevitable outcome. Sonic COULD devote himself to saving Robotnik's life and be hated by society for not being a vigilante assassin... but there's no reason this MUST happen.

At every step of the way, you have a choice. None of the things you listed are the only possible way for things to play out; in fact, I don't even think they're the most compelling way for things to play out. If you make all of those choices, then yes, you'll get a Humans Are Bastards conclusion because that's what you aimed for with each individual choice. But that's not inevitability.

Never build a character piecemeal out of tropes.
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