Page Restoration Petitions

Ok, so it looks like several P5 members are ok with restoring examples. What will it take to make it so?

Well, you could reflag it and they could give a new disposition. I'm not sure this is the only or best way to do it, though.

Ok, thanks. I won't do that right away then, but how do I flag a trope?

Flagged it for you. In the future, click on "Tools" on the left and click the first button from the top.

Argh. Sorry I disappeared in the middle of the conversation. RL got out of hand.

Is it too late for me to make my case for Oniichan Contol?

It's never too late to make a case; just make it good.

In that case, rather than presenting immediately, I'll be taking a bit of time to fully prepare.

Is using other works as a frame of reference considered appropriate, so long as the point being made is both legitimate and relevant?

Go ahead. Be sure to check out the P5 links thread.

As long as you know the reason any given work was cut/not cut.

Thank you. My case may take a bit of time to prepare, but I trust that the strength of the argument being presented is more important than the time frame in which it is made. I need to review the materials regarding this case, including both works relevant to it and the full extent and implications of the rules regarding content policy, to be sure that I am fully prepared to defend the manga in question.

Hey, it's not like the site will be collapsing into a fiery pit to the shrieking chorus of a thousand damned souls tomorrow or something.

Take all the time you need.

That's what they call a Suspiciously Specific Denial.

@videogmer 314 - Thanks.

edited 5th Sep '12 5:14:44 PM by Topazan

Take as much time as you need to; just make your argument good... and no strawmanning, please.

As it has been brought up in the other thread I will petition for Literature.The 120 Days Of Sodom to be restored on the grounds of its influence and use as a teaching-aid, at the vary least it deserves a useful notes page.

I will now allow someone who has actually read it to elaborate.

edited 6th Sep '12 7:08:40 PM by shadis

I restored the examples on Gor, but someone else has to take up cleaning by sugesting the edits on the edit request thread.

I'll assume you're not discussing any specific series at the moment, but if I'm wrong, feel free to ignore me until you're done.

In any case, since all the moderators know what brunoais, GraySloth and I have been up to the last couple of weeks, there's no reason to beat around the bush: the three of us would like to see Popotan (the anime, not the visual novel) restored. As you might remember, we've had this discussion two months ago, where we basically agreed to not discuss the issue so soon after the series had been deleted. Aside from one editor (the aforementioned brunoais) bringing it up about a month ago, no one has talked about it since, so now seems like a good time to debate it again.

It's possible that I've misunderstood the reasons for deleting the series, but as far as I know, it was because the 5P thought it was catering to paedophiles. Before we begin arguing for why this is not necessarily the case, I'd like to ask one member of the group to explain if it was the intent of the creators or the actual content that was the problem.

I'd say it was the latter that gave me cause for my vote.

Also, I'd like to provide a simple reminder to everyone: you're not here to argue about the content policy or the P5 in general; you're here to provide reasons for why we should reconsider our judgement over a given work. Don't deviate from that, please.

I would say that the content was the heavier factor for me in my decision to cut Popotan. The scenes with the young boy and the nude woman, while they didn't imply a sexual relationship between the two, were quite clearly in my view drawn to be titillating. The fanservice of the younger girl character in subsequent episodes cemented the decision for me.

I can't say that creator intent wasn't a factor at all, since the fact that the anime was based on a game that quite clearly had pedophile-pandering content gave the above mentioned scenes more an air of "this is as much as they could get away with" than if it had been adapted from a more innocent work. However, even without that I feel that the content presented in the anime alone was enough to make the decision to cut clear.

To add some context to the bath scene I believe you are referring to in the story that boy has a crush on a girl his own age, who he goes on to marry as an adult, so that scene is supposed to highlight that female characters maternal side, her being Team Mom of the series.

edited 7th Sep '12 9:54:45 AM by GraySloth

The boy was fully clothed and was not being played for titilation at all. His contact with the female was accidental and brief, and neither character was using the contact for sexual stimulation. Kids accidently walking in on naked people isn't child abuse. The point of the scene was humor being derived from an embarrasing accident, not presenting to boy as being sexy. If anyone if the scene was being played for titilation, it was the fully grown and indisputabley adult character. That isn't pandering to pedophiles.

edited 7th Sep '12 9:53:27 AM by Catbert

And if it was just that scene alone, I would have most likely given the show a pass. But after that, we get a scene of the nude boy laying on top of the nude woman in the bath with his head on her breasts. Then we have the fanservice shots of the little girl as the series progresses.

It was a combination of multiple elements throughout the series and the way in which some of those scenes were drawn that made my decision. I'm not silly enough to want to cut every single series that has a bath scene or Marshmallow Hell, but if a series has too many problematic elements involving children then it certainly makes the case that it's not in violation of our content policy a much tougher sell.

Edited by GraySloth on Jan 26th 2024 at 1:37:03 AM

I'm fine with it, but given that we're talking about some of those images being nude or semi-nude, it might be a better question for a Mod to answer.

edited 7th Sep '12 10:25:41 AM by Meeble

Edited by GraySloth on Jan 26th 2024 at 1:37:13 AM

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edited 7th Sep '12 10:43:17 AM by Meeble