Content Policy Change

I'm going to go home from work now and hopefully calm down a bit, because right now the strawmanning and jumping to conclusions is making me very angry.

@whaleofyournightmare I thought authorial intent stopped mattering when it sexualized children at all.

@Best Of That clears up matters a bit.

edited 17th Apr '12 3:16:27 PM by encrypted12345

@whale - But most costumes put on teen girls are. Take Rikku from Final Fantasy X - 15 years old and has a small cutscene entirely devoted to fanservice. Not to mention the costume.

You should. Because, the way I see it, no one here is strawmaning.

Yeah. And I hope no one even consider cutting Final Fantasy. That would be ridiculous.

edited 17th Apr '12 3:19:05 PM by Heatth

Well it says right there in the rules that there's a zero tolerance policy so I can't bring up situations we really should tolerate?

And here, we come to the old problem of subjectivity.

The thing is the policy Eddie lined out isn't subjective on the last point. It's zero tolerance essentially.

I can see where this is going and what is trying to happen.

FFX may have unintentional fan-service but its just a JRPG made for a mainstream global audience.

True. When arguing against zero-tolerance, examples can get extreme. Hence the illusion of strawman.

It's pretty intentional fan service. That much is hard to argue against.

edited 17th Apr '12 3:20:02 PM by encrypted12345

We are relying on context. Fanservice-y girls to appeal to teenage boys are obviously not going to be cut. Nor are works where girls are supposed to project on other pretty girls.

I think our panel can tell the difference between those and pedo material.

Yeah, I have to admit that sexualizing children in some degree is far more mainstream than most of us would like to admit. A lot of people don't even notice it, but things like beauty pageants are sexualizing children. They're just not doing it in the way Eddie is thinking of it.

What I think he means is "Titillating content involving children." It's part of the reason it's so hard to write hard and fast rules on this topic.

edited 17th Apr '12 3:20:10 PM by shimaspawn

@Whale Death of the Author has to be applied to everything or nothing, you can't just pick and choose.

-runs back out-

edited 17th Apr '12 3:21:13 PM by emeriin

@2033,

Personally, I don't think it is unintentional at all. And I think they use Japanese standards first and foremost, since it is a Japanese product.

edited 17th Apr '12 3:20:32 PM by Heatth

Its mainstream audience is not the point.

EDIT: The problem is a zero tolerance rule on a subjective issue.

edited 17th Apr '12 3:22:07 PM by RogueLeader

I will accept it if Shima's definition the definition he means. If Eddie is here I request that he alters the post with Shima's wording.

edited 17th Apr '12 3:23:07 PM by RhymeBeat

@ 2036,

I think you nailed the concept.

Just want to note that the concept of "unarousing sexualization" does exist. The term "sexualize" means just that: "to make someone/something 'sexual'", or "to give/endow with sexual characteristics/associations". Being made "sexual" does not necessiate being made "sexually arousing".

edited 17th Apr '12 3:28:00 PM by MarqFJA

I have to second shima's idea so that we can avoid continuous bickering here at least.

Definitely. Now let's see what Fast Eddie has to say about it.

And thirded!

Yes. This is annoying for both sides.

edited 17th Apr '12 3:23:13 PM by encrypted12345

Frankly, I think this is just an area where Eddie needs to explain himself more and go for a more sublime approach.

This is why I asked Eddie for clarification. I think he and I were conceptualizing different things.

If we indeed cut everything that sexualizes children under my idea of what the term means, that's more than half the work pages, methinks. I think that Eddie was giving the words a different meaning, leading to the current misunderstanding.

edited 17th Apr '12 3:24:53 PM by ccoa

I think the point basically is that if it's made to appeal to paedophiles, it's to go?

Why not?

Everyone apparently can

But to clear up any doubt, there is a difference between Little Miss Sunshine and manga that was cheerfully described as "Particularly problematic" but the US localistion team