Batman General Discussion

Depending on the continuity, Catwoman, Wonder Woman, Vicky Vale, Zatanna, Talia, Julie Madison, Rachel Dawes, Chase Meridian, Shondra Kinsolving, Jezebel Jet, Vesper Fairchild, Sasha Beaudreaux, Barbara Gordon, Lois Lane and Silver St. Cloud.

He also has had brief moments on nowhere-teasing with Poison Ivy, Black Canary, Harley Quinn, Grace Lamont, Cheetah, Helena Bertinelli and Roxy Rocket.

edited 13th Nov '12 11:14:33 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

Helena Bertinelli? Really?

I mean, that's a little squicky, considering she took up his daughter's costume.

Say, have you guys been checking out the storyline Death Of The Family?

Boy, The Joker is proving to be pretty scary. Harley Quinn is working for the Joker again, which makes me sad. I hear that Joker may go back to his Golden Age characterization, where he was a sneering criminal mastermind. If that's the case, then I think horse apples just got real!

I mean, he attacked Alfred Pennyworth with a hammer! This is bad news.

It was angry sexual tension post-Crisis, back when no one even remembered Helena Wayne had ever existed.

Squicky in a meta context, sure, but not in-universe.

IIRC, Huntress also had the hots for Bruce in Batman The Brave And The Bold.

edited 13th Nov '12 12:37:57 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Doughtier what?

I am now picturing Basty with a huge pile of women with a satisfied smile on his face, and me being me Harley Quinn is in his left arm.

edited 13th Nov '12 1:22:11 PM by HeroShepherd

Ah.

Well, yeah, but everyone had the hots for Batman in Batman The Braveandthe Bold. Everyone.

You forgot Andrea Beaumont, if we're including characters originated outside of canon.

edited 14th Nov '12 8:19:30 AM by Ronnie

On Arkham Asylum. Would it be good or bad for the story if most of the villains kept there were sent off the Blackgate Prison (see these posts at Law And The Multiverse for the reason) and perhaps if the facility was renamed to something like "Elizabeth Arkham Memorial Psychiatric Hospital."

I doubt a quiet, well handled, antiseptic "Elizabeth Arkham Memorial Psychiatric Hospital" would be something you could write many comics and even best selling videogames around.

Watson says it's a great idea, Doyle says it's terrible.

...Heh. Funny you should bring up Watson. I just finished reading a 70's book-and-record with Neal Adams style art that had Batman solving a crime in London alongside the ghost of Sherlock Holmes.

Since the Joker couldn't exist in real life, applying real life legal thinking to him doesn't work. I'd be really interested to read a decent story about how the DC legal system deals with Joker. The one in Astro City was well done but covers different themes.

If Jorker was real everyone any there grandma would shoot on sight.

If the Joker was real, he'd be rotting in an insane asylum because real life breakouts don't happen nearly as frequently or effectively as they do in comics.

Really, you could design the best state of the art maximum security prison with magical, technological and alien safety measures, and writers still would make the Scarecrow escape four times a year. The problem is in this side of the Fourth Wall, not that one. Moving the villains to Blackgate would only move the problem away, not fix it.

Soo, Poison Ivy can apparently create her own Oxygen via photosynthesis. In an enclosed, buried casket. In the dark.

....*goes off to cry in his labcoat*

edited 7th Dec '12 6:20:06 PM by 3of4

Actually, in real life I think the Joker would be rotting in regular prison...or given the death penalty if whatever the heck state Gotham is in supports that. The way he's generally portrayed, I don't think the Joker would qualify as mentally incompetent or clinically insane.

Given the amount of harm that Joker has caused, he'd likely be firebombed the moment the police found his location.

Or a rogue cop would shoot him and it'd be covered up.

If he was actually captured, then cannon well establishes him to be a criminal genius and master manipulator. Nothing short of solitary confinement could hold him and that's probably where he'd go.

There's also the fact that even killing him would only amount to a prison with a slightly higher security.

If you accept the fact all comic book prisons are made of cardboard then you need to accept that in comic books death is cheap.

Anyone know if Death of the Family will be getting a Trade Paperback?

You'd be surprised how many criminal geniuses and master manipulators sit in prison cells forever because in real life, that shit will not get you out of a maximum security penitentiary filled with armed guards. At best, the Joker might escape from prison once in his entire career, and that's assuming his personality doesn't piss off the Big Dog of the yard and get him shanked to death in a prison shower.

edited 8th Dec '12 12:55:07 PM by TobiasDrake

Actually, when pushed around by Big Dogs of the yard, the Joker tends to just beat the crap out of them. He's remarkably strong for a guy of his build.

After The Dark Knight, I just assumed they gave him the electric chair. In the comics, it's always stretched credibility that after the 342nd time he got out of Arkham, Comissioner Gordon didn't just shoot him and write up the report as an "accident."

When you have a franchise that has lasted for 75 years, I'm afraid that a number of tropes have to be carved in stone.

If you ask me, The Joker seems to have this thing about redheads. Let's see:

• In The Killing Joke, he shot Barbara Gordon and paralyzed her for a long time.
• In A Death in the Family, he beat Jason Todd with a crowbar. Okay, Jason had black hair at the time, but those Retcons changed him to always having red hair.
• In Batman: No Man's Land, he shot and killed Sarah Essen-Gordon.
• In Death of the Family, he has Barbara Kean-Gordon hostage. He cut off her index finger with a ring on it, presents it to her, and asks her if she'll marry him.

I know Joker's not picky about who he kills, but he seems to favour redheads when it comes to named characters!

That's because he's never been in a real prison. There's a lot of gang politics in prison, and nobody would be willing to deal with his personality. If he can't make friends, he's going to find himself held down by 3-5 guys while another beats him into a bloody mess.

Real prisons don't care if you're an important character, and real criminals don't job to you just because you have fancy skin.