Do we really need Headscratchers for tropes?:

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Pasting my post from another thread.

I don't think we need headscratcher pages for tropes, they tend to attract Tropes Are Not Bad or Tropes Are Not Good arguements and walls of complaining about the trope in general which leads to some getting cut.

I can't really see why we need them when we can just chat about them in trope talk in a more neutral tone.

What should we do with them?
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
2 lu1276th Apr 2012 08:10:58 PM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
We have headscratchers pages for tropes? I thought those were only for works. surprised
The index is here,Tropes. We used to have a Mary Sue one that was an atrocious mess and got cut a few months ago.

edited 6th Apr '12 8:15:01 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Maybe it's left over from the It Just Bugs Me days?
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I think that's why it contradicts itself when tropes can not be Fridge Logic by nature if they are not in a work.

edited 6th Apr '12 8:20:37 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
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Well Headscratchers are not IJBM they are questions most just use Trope Talk for that though.
I feel like we discussed this really recently.
I just found a thread in the summer of last year here. But no one did anything. The discussion gave birth to the Analysis namespace though.

Keeping them is risky and they have easy access using the tabs. There are lot of them that get people's blood boiling like, the Rape Tropes Double Standard tropes,Murder Tropes Gender and Sexuality ones.

Just look at the Guy-on-Guy Is Hot,Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil or Animal Wrongs Group Headscratchers. We have Analysis/ and trope talk to deal with fridge logic and are much less likely to be charcoal piles waiting to spark.

Edit: Censored comment for anger and sleep deprived induced idiocy.

edited 7th Apr '12 12:52:56 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Looks like a lot of those can be cut.
10 Oreochan7th Apr 2012 09:57:31 PM from Pennsylvania
Yeah, I say cut most of them and move the analysis to that Analysis/ namespace and making them more neutral and much less flamebaity. This has the bonus effect of encouraging more use of Analysis/.

edited 7th Apr '12 9:59:52 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Bump.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
12 DrStarky10th May 2012 11:53:55 AM from Corn And Pig Land , Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
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Any purpose they can serve is both outweighed by the potential for abuse and better done elsewhere.

I'd be glad to see them gone.
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I'd say yes we need them they often help us understand flaws in a tropes logic and reason that help us better understand how the trope is either used in fiction or fixed in fiction via inversion, subversion, down playing extra.
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14 Fighteer17th May 2012 11:33:18 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
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Those apply to individual examples and can go on the Headscratchers page for the work to which they belong. What you are talking about belongs in Analysis.

edited 17th May '12 11:33:33 AM by Fighteer

Bumping again.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
16 nrjxll13th Jun 2012 02:57:03 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
I say give 'em all the chop. The only good thing that can come of them is better suited for Analysis.

edited 13th Jun '12 2:57:29 PM by nrjxll

17 TailsDoll14th Jun 2012 02:59:00 AM from federal prison
I say we cut all Headscratchers on the trope pages.
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I could of sworn we decided that trope pages shouldn't have Headscratchers.

Regardless, another vote for removing them. Maybe salvaging anything useful to the Analysis page if/when we go through and cut them all.

edited 14th Jun '12 9:15:31 AM by MangaManiac

19 SeptimusHeap14th Jun 2012 09:12:17 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Going to agree wit this. Do we need a crowner to confirm?

Also, I'd say that Headscratchers like questions should go to Trope Talk.
20 Fighteer14th Jun 2012 09:15:40 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Let us be killin' 'em. (I already voted in favor of it.)
21 SeptimusHeap14th Jun 2012 09:52:56 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
What do we do with Headscratchers.Tropes? My idea was to put in something like
Actually, no, since there are no lice on the wiki.

Please put questions about tropes in Trope Talk and answers or analysis in the trope's Analysis/ tab.
22 Fighteer14th Jun 2012 09:53:58 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
23 Mukora14th Jun 2012 12:05:22 PM from a place , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Uniocular
Has it been brought up that Headscratchers is pretty much obsolete with the Fridge Logic tab?
24 SeptimusHeap14th Jun 2012 12:08:39 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
[up]Yes, but it isn't the topic of this thread, strictly speaking. Make another thread if you think that it's important.
25 lu12716th Jun 2012 01:56:55 PM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
This page has convinced me we don't need them. It's basically a Troper Tales whinefest.

Torch 'em.

Wiki Development: Headscratchers
21st Jun '12 12:38:37 AM
At issue:
The items on the index Headscratchers.Tropes have devolved into complaining about tropes, personal anecdotes and other random jargon. The worthwhile material seems better suited for the Analysis/ namespace.

Note: This decision will only affect Headscratchers for tropes, not work pages.

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