Split and/or Create Supertrope: Zettai Ryouiki

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We could call the western sexy type Golden Thigh Ratio and split them. Sadly, Faye'd have to go on there.
102 ccoa4th Apr 2012 06:41:59 AM from the Sleeping Giant
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Why is that sad? O.o
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We can't have anime on Western tropes. wink
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Ok, not sad seriously. But yea, if a Japanese example is more like the western one, we should put it there?
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106 ccoa4th Apr 2012 06:48:08 AM from the Sleeping Giant
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I think people are a little too hung up on this "Japanese example" vs. "Western example" thing. We do use the same tropes quite frequently. If it fits the trope, it goes there.

edited 4th Apr '12 6:48:23 AM by ccoa

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I was mostly joking. Examples should go where they fit, regardless of the medium's origin.
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108 ccoa4th Apr 2012 06:53:50 AM from the Sleeping Giant
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I was talking more to animeg, I got that you were joking from the emote. :)
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I should use more emoticons... But I do get confused about the Japanese/Western examples and whether we're allowed to use Japanese names if it's more prevalent and called that there, even though Western works use it as well.
Alright, it looks like we're mostly in agreement, so let's check on our options:

Option A

Option B

  • Leave Zettai Ryouiki as it is, and use the grades internally to divide examples.

Meanwhile, is the western variant distinct enough from Stocking Filler to YKTTW Golden Thigh Ratio?

edited 4th Apr '12 7:15:25 AM by lu127

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111 ccoa4th Apr 2012 07:17:09 AM from the Sleeping Giant
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I think it is a common enough subtrope to spin off, given the number of Western examples on ZR, and it'll keep ZR from being misused for Western works (hopefully). I'll write up a YKTTW in a bit.

Option C

Mention the symbolism of the grades on the page, but don't soft split the examples.

edited 4th Apr '12 7:18:06 AM by ccoa

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Good one, didn't think on it.

Hmmm, am I good to make a page action crowner?
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113 shimaspawn4th Apr 2012 08:11:56 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
Faye isn't one of the grades. I think the shorts version to make action girls more feminine is something else. It's also a trope, but it's not the same as the ZR grades.
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I thought Faye was the blatantly sexual type.
115 shimaspawn4th Apr 2012 08:14:29 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
She is blatantly sexual, but there's no innocence at all in her. She doesn't fit that version of the trope. She does fit the trend though that action girls in shorts will get very long stockings as a way to soften and feminize them.
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Yea, I was talking about the western split we were thinking of when this is used as sexy sex appeal, no innocence.
117 shimaspawn4th Apr 2012 08:22:29 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
Names are just place holders, but I think ideally where we want to head is this:

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[up] Oh, I rather like that distinction as well.

Page action time?

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119 ccoa4th Apr 2012 08:46:59 AM from the Sleeping Giant
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^^I like that. Possibly with an option to soft or hard split ZR into A, B, and S.
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121 shimaspawn4th Apr 2012 08:50:41 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up][up] S is really the only one we could really split. A and B are more of a gradient. Personality slides as you move from one letter to the other, and it would cause a fair bit of arguing if we did over who fit where better. A and B are also most easy to spot when there's both in the same work as a lot of times they're used in Betty and Veronica relationships.

I am in favour of making a crowner though since people seem to support it.

edited 4th Apr '12 8:52:21 AM by shimaspawn

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-Philip K. Dick
I too think that separate tropes will get us many unnecessary arguments on how long stockings are every time, so I think it would be best to confine them in the page if we use the grades. And only soft split S.
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123 lebrel4th Apr 2012 08:54:35 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
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Not in favor of splitting A & B (hard or soft). Hard-splitting S might work but sounds a bit too specific. Soft-split of S would be OK. Other than that, I like shima's suggestion in 117.
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124 ccoa4th Apr 2012 09:00:40 AM from the Sleeping Giant
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I created a YKTTW for Golden Thigh Ratio (working title - may need to be changed). If we don't end up going that route, it can be discarded. If we do, it's already baking and that's that much less time we have to wait on it.
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Crowner. Feel free to add options or modify any mistakes I might have made.
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Page Action: Zettai Ryouiki Round 3
4th Apr '12 8:57:38 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
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Not all options are mutually exclusive, but some are. Exercise judgement.

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