Hmm, we could always make Badass Longhair a redirect to legendary New Orleans R&B and Blues pioneer Music.Professor Longhair

edited 16th Jun '12 11:02:22 PM by Xtifr

Instead of making a supertrope (which imply examples), couldn't we make Badass Long Hair a Subindex? The splits have all a similar theme, after all, and the Badass Index is already crowded.

edited 16th Jun '12 11:10:45 PM by Heatth

We have a Badass Establishers Index in YKTTW for stuff like Badass Longhair. Though, since it will most likely be redirected, we'll probably chuck the split subtropes there.

Well, given it is a narrower theme, it could still be a Subindex of that.

Okay, this looks like it can be called to me.

Action required:

1. Split off Samurai Ponytail, a gender neutral trope.
2. Split off Barbaric Longhair, though there is an option with consensus that says this should share a page with the antihero longhair, so that name or something like it may not work.
3. Redirect Badass Longhair to something like Badass

Calling crowner.

For the second point, I saw put barbarian hair and antihero hair on the same page. Antihero hair does not have a 2:1 ratio and if we don't get it there'll be a hole. Plus it's basically the same thing anyway.

Okay, as for Samurai Ponytail, I'm thinking these are the key traits:

1. The hair is long and well kept. It might matter that the hair is almost always black since I think it's a traditional sort of image rather than just a sign of being a cultured badass.
2. The character at the very least seems rather reserved and elegant
3. The hair is not free flowing, but rather is bound up in a topknot which then flows down the back.
4. Trope is gender neutral so long as the other points apply

Am I missing anything?

edited 21st Jun '12 10:15:01 AM by Arha

I think point 3 is problematic; the topknot has been declining in popularity in the last few decades, while the character trait has not. Just off the top of my head, Byakuya from Bleach has some little doohickeys in his samurai longhair, but nothing that would be a real topknot, and I don't think it's really even bound into a ponytail. Like Sephiroth, it's meant to make him look more elegant and noble. (It's worth mentioning that like half the male cast of Bleach has long hair.)

Rorouni Kenshin has a ponytail but no topknot.

edited 21st Jun '12 10:41:43 AM by Escher

Byakuya doesn't have the hair style, but the thing about not needing a top knot is probably true.

I agree with merging antihero hair into barbarian hair. One is derived from the other, anyway.

Okay. For Samurai Ponytail do my proposed points look acceptable? Well, for the third I"d probably revise it to something like like it has to flow down the back rather than being of any other style.

I am not super familiar with the trope, but the few places I've seen it, it's:

1. long, straight, and neat
2. gathered very high on the head
3. almost always paired with other traditional Japanese design elements or character traits

I'll take Samurai Ponytail to YKTTW. Hopefully they can help hammer out a proper definition.

Here. Input would be appreciated.

edited 9th Aug '12 9:45:24 PM by Arha

Straight? Neat? The works of Akira Kurosawa and Toshiro Mifune beg to differ. Mifune is probably the most iconic movie samurai of all time, and our page image shows him unusually straight and neat (which is to say, not very). He basically showed off his badassitude by being scragglier and messier than anyone else in his movies. :)

Then the name might not work if samurai aren't always elegant and whatnot. That sounds more like Barbarian Longhair, the other working title I am going with for the moment.

I'd love to help with the 90s Anti-Hero hair and Barbarian Longhair, but I'm afraid I can't do it without seeing relevant examples first. Could I have some? I'm willing to babysit a new YKTTW.

Helllooooooooooooooooooooo? Samurai ponytail is going well, when is it ready to launch?

I thought we're cutting all Badass tropes.

Um, no, we aren't doing anything that drastic at all.

I'll launch Samurai Ponytail on the tenth. Barbarian Longhair still needs a YKTTW right? That will also cover the 90s antihero hair.

edited 7th Jan '13 9:56:44 AM by Arha

Whoops, I meant renaming or fixing all, and cutting some.

Okay, Samurai Ponytail was pushed out the door since it had been stagnating forever. Is anyone keen on picking up Barbarian Longhair? Not really keen on doing it myself since I have a tendency to forget stuff I have in YKTTW after awhile.

How is Barbarian Longhair different from Wild Hair? And has anybody got a description for Barbarian Longhair?

Wild Hair signifies close to nature. Barbarian Longhair signifies a badass who is wild and uncontrolled, but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with nature. For example, the 90s antiheroes get lumped into that category. They're related, but they mean different things.

I could write up a description for the trope if no one else will. I just think someone else should carry it through YKTTW once I've done so.

I might be able to run in through YKTTW but a description isn't in my competence.