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Congressman wants to put cigarette-style label on videogames. Again.:

 1 That One Guy Named X, Wed, 21st Mar '12 11:50:20 AM from     Arica, Chile   
O_O
Congressman Joe Baca apparently has so much free time on his hands he wants to try labeling those evil, nasty videogames, with the following warning

WARNING: Exposure to violent video games has been linked to aggressive behavior. [Citation Needed]

Same Bill was proposed back in 2009 and 2011, both times it failed miserably. Give the man some credit for perseverance, I guess. Also, the label is proposed to be carried by any games rated E and up. Seriously.

He also took the time to modify the original label he proposed, which read as:

WARNING: Excessive exposure to violent video games and other violent media has been linked to aggressive behavior

I am backing this proposal 100%. We can't have our children be exposed to these nasty videogame violence, with their Pokey mans and their illegally immigrated Italian plumbers. It's anti-american.

That was sarcasm.

edited 21st Mar '12 11:51:47 AM by ThatOneGuyNamedX

You avoided the last two pages... so you could hit on my sandwich.- Slendid Suit
 2 Tyyrlym, Wed, 21st Mar '12 11:54:31 AM from Normandy SR-2
Jerk
Has this been proven? I know everyone starts crying when some kid does something violent and he played video games but has there ever been an actual casual link between video games and violence?
"Tyyr's a necessary evil. " Spirit
 3 Zendervai, Wed, 21st Mar '12 11:58:47 AM from North Toronto Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Eccentric Dreamer
I don't think so. The closest thing was what is constantly repeated in my Statistics and Psychology classes: Correlation does not equal causation. For all he knows, naturally violent people just like violent videogames. Aren't there also studies showing that violent crime has gone down recently anyway?

Oh, and kids can be almost disturbingly violent sometimes with little to no media influence.

edited 21st Mar '12 12:01:02 PM by Zendervai

Everyone is a little bit insane. It makes the world so much more interesting!
 4 Envyus, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:01:28 PM from Behind you
Dark Hero
I think like 3 that I have ever heard of.

edited 21st Mar '12 12:01:53 PM by Envyus

pirate girl
...Whoever's responsible for this is determined to make himself look like an absolute idiot. Agreed?

 6 That One Guy Named X, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:06:13 PM from     Arica, Chile   
O_O
Well, going by this man's logic of correlation (People are violent, people play video games, therefore violent people play videogames, ergo videogames make you violent), working as a congressman makes you stupid. I haven't seen a lot of violent gamers, but I've seen a ton of stupid congressmen.
You avoided the last two pages... so you could hit on my sandwich.- Slendid Suit
 7 Fighteer, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:08:07 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
We should get a petition drive going that, since being elected to Congress is correlated with overt displays of idiocy, Congress should have a warning label.

WARNING: Exposure to the United States Congress has been linked to extreme displays of ignorance and narcissistic behavior.

Then they can counter this claim by saying, "On the contrary, ignorant and narcissistic people seek out Congress."

edited 21st Mar '12 12:10:58 PM by Fighteer

Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
It's me.
I am disappointed in politicians making dumb video-game related decisions, but am pretty sure nothing will come of this.

Again.
...Let us in...
 9 lu 127, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:11:40 PM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
[up][up] I'd get behind that.

Seriously, this is stupid. It had better not happen outside the US.
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 10 Demongodofchaos 2, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:15:24 PM from Reality Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
I am become death, Destroyer of worlds
The fact that Video Games are protected under Law now makes it even less likely this will happen.

edited 21st Mar '12 12:15:35 PM by Demongodofchaos2

I don't fight for good, and I don't fight for evil, I JUST FIGHT!

 11 Tiamatty, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:15:45 PM Relationship Status: Brony
Bieber My Balls
The most comprehensive study to date found quite the opposite. While it's true video games were linked to a very short-term increase in hostility, overall, people who play video games were less violent than people who don't.

So this guy is actually demonstrably wrong in his claim. He wants to put what is essentially a lie on video game packages.

It pisses me off when people make the claim that video games make people more violent, because it's simply not true. If you're going to make a claim like that, and state it as fact, you might wanna do some fucking research first.
Oh look, probably another thick-headed Republican trying to appeal to the ri-

Oh. He's a Democrat.

I got nothing.

 13 Fighteer, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:21:48 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Being a Democrat in Congress doesn't make you immune to stupidity; far from it. The fact is that Republicans and Democrats alike like to play Moral Guardians, regardless of the facts.
Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
No, it's not that I think he's any better or worse because of his party. I just usually expect these kinds of "moral protections" to come from the right.

 15 Fighteer, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:25:23 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Eh, "Political Correctness" is very much an invention of the left, if my understanding is correct, and the Video Games Are Evil drive comes as much from there as it does from the right.

It's funny because in a way it comes from both sides: the Right thinks violence is fine but doesn't want sex, and the Left hates the naughty language and the violence. Since the score ends up as Violence 0.5, Sex -1, Language 0, that's why games with a body count to rival anything Hollywood has released get a rating bump if someone says "Fuck", and games with mass murder and Cluster F Bombs can't show tits without getting an AO rating.

edited 21st Mar '12 12:35:20 PM by Fighteer

Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
I just consume whatever's shoved down my gullet.

But no really? This is pretty dumb, if only because we already have a ratings system in place. It's kinda like the information is already right there in front of you, so the only reason you're missing it is because of your ignorance. I think the only way you could make it clearer is if the ESRB used numbers like the BBFC or just adopted the MPAA ratings scale.

 17 Fighteer, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:32:15 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
The ESRB's rating system is more comprehensive than the MPAA's, technically. The problem is more that Mommy buys little Johnny whatever he's willing to whine enough over, and then is shocked, SHOCKED when the games that she thinks are glorified Pac-Man (or Super Mario Bros., depending on their reference pools) turn out to have realistic people shooting each other in the head.

All of the above is why Assassin's Creed, which features the hero performing such gory executions as chopping halfway through a badguy's head with an axe and then pulling it back out afterwards, or hooking a guy in the head, spinning him around 180, and breaking his back, have to hide most of their cursing behind translated subtitles and has a sex scene with the girl still in her underwear.

edited 21st Mar '12 12:45:24 PM by Fighteer

Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
I don't mean adopt their entire ratings system, just the letter grades. EC and E would become G, E10+ would be PG, T would be PG-13, M -> R, and AO -> NC-17. It's just a matter of clarity; I'm certain more Americans are aware of the MPAA ratings scale than they are of the ESRB's.

edited 21st Mar '12 12:35:56 PM by MrDolomite

 19 X 2 X, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:35:57 PM from the Darkness Beyond Time Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
[insert quip here]
This... debacle, for lack of a better word, does not surprise me in the slightest.
A poem by Kenshiro: Roses are red / Violets are blue / Omae wa mo / Shindeiru.
 20 Reflextion, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:37:52 PM from Nowhere Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Then there's the ESRB's website and the writeups it contains.

Really, the message the Moral Guardians should be sending is that the parents should look up the game they're planning to buy little Johnny on that website before they do, and generally do the fucking research.
There needs to be a word for those brief moments of clarity where you realize just how profoundly weird your life is.
 21 X 2 X, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:40:48 PM from the Darkness Beyond Time Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
[insert quip here]
Sadly, they can't send out a message like that because it'd be hypocritical. You can't tell others to do the research if you haven't done it yourself.
A poem by Kenshiro: Roses are red / Violets are blue / Omae wa mo / Shindeiru.
 22 Fighteer, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:46:34 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
HEY PARENTS! A big black and white "M" label on a video game box does not mean "Mommy-approved"!

edited 21st Mar '12 12:48:16 PM by Fighteer

Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
Bitter person in the shadows....
From my point of view, people don't become violent from video games. It usually stems from emotional trauma from real problems like abuse or neglect from other people.

Rather then address the true source and trying to resolve these issues, congress blames everything else for this, and nothing gets solved. It usually gets worse, since failing to deal with the problem at hand usually leads to these violent outbursts.

You don't see me stomping on turtles or slicing people up with a katana in real life. Although the mentally disturbed may have games, books, movies, music that fit their personality, it's either how other people initially treated them that sparked it, or it's an unfortunate case of having a disorder like that regardless of the action taken.
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 24 Zendervai, Wed, 21st Mar '12 12:54:01 PM from North Toronto Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Eccentric Dreamer
The boxes even say what the rating stands for right on the front of the box.
Everyone is a little bit insane. It makes the world so much more interesting!
 25 lu 127, Wed, 21st Mar '12 1:02:23 PM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Huh, weird. My games have a pegi rating, which has the appropriate age instead of Mature or whatever.
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