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 1 Spark 9, Sun, 11th Mar '12 11:31:43 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
This page is about the length of time between the start of a video game and the place where you can first save your progress.

I don't think that's a trope. At the very least, it should be considered trivia, but I think we can also make a case for cutlisting. It doesn't have anything to do with storytelling, and anything worth troping here is already covered by Save Point and games-that-let-you-save-everywhere.
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 2 lu 127, Sun, 11th Mar '12 11:42:54 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Oh, wow. This is bad. No YKTTW either.

I think it needs some redefinition to get significance. We could make it about games where it takes a long time after the beginning to save. And move to trivia.

I wouldn't mind a cut either, though.
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 3 shimaspawn, Sun, 11th Mar '12 11:49:41 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
It wouldn't be trivia if it's just that there's a long time from start to save. I think that would be a valid trope. Trivia is for things that you will never notice just playing the game or watching the work.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 4 Septimus Heap, Sun, 11th Mar '12 11:52:57 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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OT: Do we have an official definition of Trivia? From the Trivia thread, it seems that the definition is often quite contested, like a philosophical debate.

Also, IIRC, if we decide in TRS that this is Trivia it still must go through the Trivia crowner.

 5 shimaspawn, Sun, 11th Mar '12 11:54:09 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
We do have an official definition and I added it to that crowner. Previous versions have had it on there but I guess it hasn't transferred. Trivia is things about the work that aren't in the work.

And no, it doesn't have to go through the trivia crowner too. It just needs to go through A trivia crowner. TRS can do those too. The thread is for pages that otherwise don't need repair.

edited 11th Mar '12 11:55:21 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 6 lu 127, Sun, 11th Mar '12 11:56:31 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
So...takes a long time for the first save is not trivia material? Well, I guess it makes sense. Video game tropes generally aren't just about the narrative.
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 7 shimaspawn, Sun, 11th Mar '12 11:58:19 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Yep. That would be a game play trope. We also have things like Camera Tropes.

edited 11th Mar '12 11:59:11 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 8 Spark 9, Sun, 11th Mar '12 11:59:07 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I think that if it's not deliberately put there by the designer, then it's trivia, no?
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 9 shimaspawn, Sun, 11th Mar '12 11:59:36 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
No, deliberate or not has no bearing on if it's trivia. There's nothing about this that is in any way related to Trivia.

edited 11th Mar '12 12:00:30 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 10 Dragon Quest Z, Sun, 11th Mar '12 12:06:03 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
[up][up]This brings back my thinking we might need a list for Accidental Tropes (that still objectively happened).

Also, this would need a new name if it's specifically about a long start to save time.
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 11 lu 127, Sun, 11th Mar '12 12:07:13 PM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Which reminds me, do we have a Video Game Tropes index?

EDIT:We do! But it might need a split or reorganising—too big.

edited 11th Mar '12 12:07:59 PM by lu127

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 12 shimaspawn, Sun, 11th Mar '12 12:07:35 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I agree on the rename. The description on the trope and the examples make it seem like that was the idea behind it.

[up] Yes, it's called Video Game Tropes. You just linked it.

edited 11th Mar '12 12:08:00 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

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 13 Ghilz, Sun, 11th Mar '12 12:08:32 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Honestly, I would consider it not tropeable. This is a side-effect of Story-to-Gameplay Ratio. Lots of Cutscenes means Gameplay begins later which means you don't save early. It'd be like having a subtrope "Star to character turning left" or whatever other gameplay bit.

Having this just feels redundant, expecially since lots of the examples overlap with STGR's.

edited 11th Mar '12 12:09:41 PM by Ghilz

 14 Spark 9, Sun, 11th Mar '12 12:08:54 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Okay...

I think "it takes a long time from the start of the game before you can save" is a trope.

There's also "you can save your game everywhere, even in the first room" which is basically an inversion of Save Point. That's something for YKTTW, perhaps.
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 15 shimaspawn, Sun, 11th Mar '12 12:09:55 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Yeah, we do need a Save Anywhere Anytime trope.

[up][up] I think that this is a little bigger deal in games where the first part of your game is setting up and customizing your character. Doing character creation repetitively because you couldn't get to the first save point is a pain. It is a trope. There's plenty of examples on that other trope that do save right off that bat.

edited 11th Mar '12 12:12:02 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
[up]Wouldn't that simply be an aversion of Save Game Limits?

 17 Dragon Quest Z, Sun, 11th Mar '12 12:39:52 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
[up]No, because many ways to save avert that. It's more an aversion of Save Point, but that still allows it as a trope, as they create different effects in games.
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Even a Save Anywhere System can be subject to Save Game Limits. For example, just because you can save your game anywhere doesn't mean you can resume the game from that precise and exact location and moment in time (e.g. any The Legend of Zelda game).

edited 12th Mar '12 9:05:55 AM by Stratadrake

Cure Candy
There are lots of different save systems

edited 12th Mar '12 1:05:50 PM by Raso

 20 shimaspawn, Mon, 12th Mar '12 9:20:41 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] Quick Save is also a common PC game thing. It's generally a one button save that isn't meant to be permanent.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
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[up] Ahh most PC games I have don't have that.

Well anyway I do agree that a long time for the first save point is an ok trope I would prefer it to be more of just "any large gap between save points".

Like say Persona 4 has a long while till the first calendar that is true but after every boss there are a hell of alot of cutscenes till you can save again too.

And man those are a lot of YKTTW ideas I had....
 22 shimaspawn, Mon, 12th Mar '12 9:54:44 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] It's really common in PC RPGs in my experience.

There do seem a lot of missing tropes. Perhaps a Save Game or Save File as the supertrope to all of them.

edited 12th Mar '12 9:55:44 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 23 Dragon Quest Z, Mon, 12th Mar '12 1:00:31 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
Yeah, all those should be made.
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 24 ccoa, Mon, 12th Mar '12 1:40:43 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
We do seem to be missing quite a few save game tropes, don't we? Let me know if you need help YKTT Wing them.

If this is tropable, it seems like it's pretty subjective. It's also kind of narrow - why is a long period before the first save different than a long period between the X and the X+1 save? Perhaps it's better off just mentioning that games that restrict saving can have long periods between when you can save on the proposed supertrope, or on the subtropes that can cause this, like Save Point and Restricted Save.

edited 12th Mar '12 1:42:03 PM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 25 shimaspawn, Mon, 12th Mar '12 1:45:12 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I think the biggest issue is the restart from start aspect.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick

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