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feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
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#126: Feb 24th 2012 at 9:23:17 PM

On the brand thing: I consistently refer to orange soda as orange soda, lime soda as lime soda, etc. unless the same place sells two of the same thing.

As in, I do that in real life, not just in my writing.

It's probably something to complain about if every character does that, but if just one talks that way, it can be a harmless quirk, or even a hint at a deeper trait of that character.

That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful
LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#127: Feb 24th 2012 at 10:13:46 PM

Using brands can be confusing sometimes - I remember when I used to read American-written books and they would talk about 'Dr Pepper', and I had no idea what it was. I think for a while I was convinced it was a pepper-flavoured soft drink.

Sometimes, like with band-aids, Coke or eskies, using the non-brand name is just silly. Other times it isn't.

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alethiophile Shadowed Philosopher from Ëa Since: Nov, 2009
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IBLiS arachnidsGrip from Alternia Since: May, 2011
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#130: Feb 24th 2012 at 10:25:43 PM

an esky is a generic term for a cooler in australia. same deal as band-aids or kleenex.

which proves your point, really. what's common knowledge in one country is complete babble in another.

bluh bluh
Leradny Since: Jan, 2001
#131: Feb 25th 2012 at 12:09:18 AM

Fantasy titles are stuck in a rut.

feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
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#132: Feb 25th 2012 at 1:15:58 AM

^ As in Mad-Lib Fantasy Title?

edited 25th Feb '12 1:16:30 AM by feotakahari

That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful
DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
#133: Feb 25th 2012 at 2:05:02 AM

I once had someone joking about my story "containing product placement" because I mentioned brands when it would be realistic for the character to do so. No, you moron, I'm not going to say "car" when the character is thinking "Volvo".

TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
Diagonalizing The Matrix
#134: Feb 25th 2012 at 5:58:41 AM

I can capitalize letters just fine, thank you. i just prefer not to. nice try.

English isn't my first language, and I had to pick up things like this on my own. I didn't figure out most of capitalization until I was 17, and I still struggle with picking the right preposition every now and then. So I try to help where it seems appropriate, because that's what I wish someone would have done for me.

Clearly I misread this situation, and I apologize.

edited 25th Feb '12 5:59:57 AM by TripleElation

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Lennik Since: Dec, 2011
#135: Feb 25th 2012 at 9:37:03 AM

Since I work with a fantasy setting, I make up my own brand names. I never have a character order "a beer." I don't care if the detail is completely irrelevant to the plot. That kind of stuff just bothers me.

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#136: Feb 25th 2012 at 9:45:48 AM

On the other hand, I have a " love-or-hate" realationship with fake brand names. iPear, anyone?

JHM Apparition in the Woods from Niemandswasser Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
Apparition in the Woods
#137: Feb 25th 2012 at 9:57:09 AM

On the matter of pet peeves, I must repeat what I said in this thread, regarding writing advice, specifically the question of what writing advice I most resent:

Honestly? Most of it. Especially when people start to talk about how one should structure a book. They talk about how you should always have a climax here, an antagonist there, how X plot build is essential to Y genre, how Z is never done except by the most masterful writers and that's only because they are somehow magically allowed to "break the rules." Worse, when they get theoretical in their justifications as to how a writer should use their formula: How all characters in a given context should be written with a given archetype in mind, and how those archetypes must be filled in order to make your book worth reading. For all their good intentions, such people are, by definition, hacks, and I resent that they should restrain good writers with their presumptions and give bad ones scaffolding on which to build their mediocrity. This is not to say that literary theory and playing with archetypes are bad things; to the contrary, they are things that a great writer knows intuitively, through experience and experiment, and plays with at their leisure, knowingly exploiting or discarding elements where they see fit. Yet so many think that all beauty lies solely within technique, and so damn themselves with narrow expectations. It pains me.

I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.
Lennik Since: Dec, 2011
#138: Feb 25th 2012 at 10:05:27 AM

[up][up]Well yeah, making your fake brand names similar to real brand names simply to avoid copyright trouble is fucking annoying, and I see it in so many kids' shows it makes me want to punch a hole in a wall.

So long as you're original about it and don't take a real brand name and change one or two words, I have no problem, though. But things like Pear Pad, Shme-bay, Pintendo GS, etc, just make me gnash my teeth.

edited 25th Feb '12 10:05:41 AM by Lennik

IBLiS arachnidsGrip from Alternia Since: May, 2011
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#139: Feb 25th 2012 at 4:04:39 PM

Clearly I misread this situation, and I apologize.

the apology is all mine. i'm sorry for being hostile at first, my bad. i'm just used to grammar nazis haughtily picking on my preference. clearly though, you only wanted to help. no hard feelings, yeah?

as for fake brand names...i understand their purpose, but that doesn't i have to like them. or even tolerate them. ugh.

edited 25th Feb '12 4:22:58 PM by IBLiS

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Syera from Wibble Since: Jan, 2001
#140: Feb 25th 2012 at 9:28:01 PM

My biggest peeves (that I can think of right now) are misused quotation marks, "could of," abused apostrophes, and less/fewer being used incorrectly.

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Teraus Awesome Lightning Mantra from The Origin of Dreams Since: Jul, 2011
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#141: Feb 29th 2012 at 8:14:14 PM

I hate excessive unnecessary commas.

edited 29th Feb '12 8:14:25 PM by Teraus

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JHM Apparition in the Woods from Niemandswasser Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
Apparition in the Woods
#142: Mar 1st 2012 at 11:31:36 AM

Another one, far milder, that I noticed recently: Unnecessary colloquialisms in an otherwise formal narration.

I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
PDown It's easy, mmkay? Since: Jan, 2012
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#144: Mar 1st 2012 at 11:01:01 PM

First person perspective that doesn't add anything. If you're not going to give us any extra insight into the protagonist's thought processes, then stick with third person perspective.

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Anthony_H Since: Jan, 2001
#145: Mar 3rd 2012 at 11:15:09 PM

As a comedian writer, I hate the "Newborn Dinosaurs": using word by word a joke that everyone knows as if it were something new.

I also hate the easy target Take That!: I've got to admit, I've done it from time to time, but making jokes about how much Twilight or Justin Bieber sucks aren't really that smart. It's not impossible to pull a good Take That! joke, but I try to avoid easy targets for two reasons:

  • It will date your work really fast.

  • We all already make fun of that, in Real Life or in Internet discussions. Nobody needs to read it in a book.

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#146: Mar 4th 2012 at 11:15:05 AM

elaborate on the newborn dinosaur thing? I don't understand.

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alethiophile Shadowed Philosopher from Ëa Since: Nov, 2009
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#147: Mar 4th 2012 at 12:02:44 PM

Making fun of, say, Twilight or Justin Bieber in a humorous work. I agree, it's not a particularly good idea.

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DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
#148: Mar 4th 2012 at 1:31:43 PM

Truth be told, I'd be happy if I never had to see those jokes online, either.

TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
Diagonalizing The Matrix
#149: Mar 4th 2012 at 3:27:22 PM

But you know what you would be even more glad to never see again? JUSTIN BIEBER! AMIRITE?

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YamiiDenryuu Since: Jan, 2010
#150: Mar 4th 2012 at 3:50:48 PM

If they at least aim their Take That! at something not absolutely everyone makes fun of (like the aforementioned Twilight and Bieber), it's a bit better. And Take That Us is also fine.


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