This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
I'd consider moving the first game to MetalGearOne (or something similar). I think the rule is only to use Franchise/ when dealing with works that transcend a particular medium.
edited 13th May '12 3:55:03 PM by DarkConfidant
Where does You Are Umasou go? I know it doesn't go under Film/, since Film/ is only for live-action. Would it go under Anime/? The article says that the work was made in Japan, which would generally make it anime. However, there's no mention in the article about it being anime.
Where would consoles like the Nintendo Entertainment System and Play Station go? Would they go to the VideoGame/ namespace, or do they need their own namespace?
Please help out our The History Of Video Games page.
@Elbruno: Another option would be to move Metal Gear to Metal Gear 1987.
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@movie007: You Are Umasou is Anime — "Anime" = Japanese animated films.
@Waxing Name: I think a mod once said that they are to be put into UsefulNotes/. Can't remember where it was posted, though.
edited 15th May '12 2:45:07 PM by LordGro
Let's just say and leave it at that.
Thanks! Off to move it to Anime/.
Lost in Space
If console systems serve as indexes of games on that platform, they stay in Main, I think. If the article is about their specs, history, market success, and the like, it's Useful Notes.
edited 15th May '12 2:47:18 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Mummy Woomy
So it's either Metal Gear 1 or Metal Gear 1987. Do we have any other case like that one to compare, just so we can keep the titles consistent?
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
We have, for example, three different The Three Musketeers films.
For a slightly different solution, see The Liar, which is a novel by Stephen Fry as well as an Armenian folktale.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
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Mummy Woomy
Okay, I'll move VideoGame.Metal Gear to VideoGame.Metal Gear 1987; then I'll make the former a redirect of the latter, I'll fix the wicks, and then finally I'll move Metal Gear to VideoGame.Metal Gear, erasing the redirect I made earlier. What a mess...
EDIT: Aaaaaaaaaand... done. It was quite the work, there was natter everywhere.
edited 16th May '12 2:12:21 PM by Elbruno
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
For namespacing, WesternAnimation/.
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
Looks like we have a lot of Dino Documentaries to move from Series/ to Western Animation/
Keeper of The Celestial Flame
I noticed Shin Megami Tensei is under Video Game. Shouldn't it be Franchise?
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Isn't Franchise/ for multimedia franchises, like Pokémon or Yu-Gi-Oh!? It was said in the Namespace Map and this thread here If the franchise is made up of a single form of media like Metal Gear was moved to Video Game/.
Ah, alright I'll move it to Franchise/ then. I guess I have to pay more attention.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."It's okay. Most of those adaptations are for the Persona sub-series, so it's easy to miss.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Okay, so as it was mentioned like four pages back, where do drama CD's and Audio plays go? Not all audio plays are in radio or podcast form and therefore wouldn't fit.
edited 18th May '12 9:25:01 AM by Oreochan
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
I don't think we have a rule for that yet. Possibly we'll need a new namespace.
The medium is Audio Play, then. The exact method of transmission is of little importance. A drama CD is a drama, either literature or theater. It won't get a different article if it comes out on blueray or as a download.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
We ain't got a namespace AudioPlay/ yet. — We do already have Radio/ and Podcast/, though.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
So I guess I should mention Audioplay/ in the Suggesting new namespaces thread then. Thanks.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Where do miniseries like Jesus Of Nazareth and Anne Frank The Whole Story go? An argument might be made that they are more at home in Film/ than in Series/.
edited 21st May '12 6:53:47 AM by LordGro
Let's just say and leave it at that.
I almost moved Eddie Izzard to Creator/, but then I noticed it actually appears to be a work page for his stand-up comedy. I don't think we have a namespace for stand-up...?
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Metal Gear is a page for the video game series as a whole, and it's on the main namespace. The problem is that VideoGame.Metal Gear is already used for the first game in the series. Should I move Metal Gear to the Franchise/ namespace or just let it where it is?
edited 13th May '12 3:52:53 PM by Elbruno
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."