Rename: NEW CROWNER (Alt Titles 12-28-12): Asian Gal With White Guy

Isn't the problem that people are using this trope to list every relationship involving an asian girl with a white man?

Yup.

What trope?

This one. You've been determined to get rid of it since the beginning.

presumably because people are using this trope to list every relationship involving an asian girl with a white man?

Right, but what I don't understand is why he and others continue to shoot down any suggestion provided, especially when some of us (mainly myself) have been going out of our way to provide references as to when, how, and why the trope has been used. I mean, this is a trope which (including the Asian Hooker Stereotype overlap) has existed since The '50s.

"This one"? I thought this thread has been 300-odd posts of failing to figure out what "this" is.

I haven't shot down anything. "Some of us have been going out of our way to provide references" and such and few or no people agree. They are references for something else. They are "when, how, and why" something that is not this is used. "This should be that something else" was voted against. There isn't anything here.

My issue is I think it sucks. Maybe it does.

Don't understand why you wouldn't want to start from scratch and have it begin exactly how you want, instead of trying to shoehorn this mess into your personal definition (fine whatever that definition is supported, but that's not a definition of this).

Why am I a jerk for suggesting a page action crowner option "cut"? Do you have any other PA options to suggest? They should probably be on the crowner too.

edited 21st Jul '12 2:42:38 PM by rodneyAnonymous

I don't understand your argument. The entire point to this thread has become to define and name this trope; in short, we have started over.

But according to what you're saying, that's not good enough. If that's the case, then what are you talking about when you say to "start over"? Start over with what? If you don't see a trope here, then shouldn't the purpose to be to define one? But when I do that, you say "that's a trope, but not this one". What? But you just said there is no trope here. So which is it?

edited 21st Jul '12 2:56:46 PM by KingZeal

I mean "start over" as in YKTTW whatever you have in mind.

I think I don't understand what the "both definition proposals were rejected" result means to you.

edited 21st Jul '12 3:04:36 PM by rodneyAnonymous

It means, to me, what Shimaspawn said.

Discussing what the trope is.

Chill, please.

We can't cut and send to YKTTW if we don't have a definition to send to YKTTW. So that can't be an option until and unless a definition can be agreed upon.

Thanks. So, once again, my "laconic":

"A romantic or sexual relationship between a caucasian man and asian woman in which the man holds the power."

That's a great definition. But unless the current page primarily adheres to it, I see no advantage to converting the current page to it over YKTT Wing the new trope.

Most of the examples actually do follow that definition, from what I could tell. After all, the trope is still considered the default for any relationship between a white male and asian female. Lucy Liu, for example, has said it's hard for her to get a part outside of it.

edited 23rd Jul '12 9:46:43 AM by KingZeal

Checking we don't seem to have a page for the fetishized 'submissiveness' of Asian women. I was looking for 'yellow fever' (the term irl, offensive) though.

We sorta-kinda have Yamato Nadeshiko for Japanese women and I tried to create a China Doll page, which has gotten NO love.

Also, we have Moe, which covers the core phenomenon in Asian media.

edited 23rd Jul '12 11:28:31 AM by KingZeal

Meido is also about fetishized subservience, at its core.

YM's aren't subservient - they are often Silk Hiding Steel but what I mean is that guy(usually white) who thinks Asians are 'so hot' because they are 'submissive'(not true! mostly)

Oh, I know. But that's the popular perception in the West.

looks at watch

So. Me Love You Long Time? Asian Gal on White Guy Drama?

edited 11th Aug '12 9:24:51 PM by MegaJ

I personally don't have a problem with this allowing for most relationships with Asian Women and White Men. Things about submissiveness, power and privilege, how they are perceived by other cast members, why this is the most common interracial marriage in the United States in real life at this time, etc. etc. all are are a part of that, and are things that creators and audiences think about in relationship to these characters. even subconsciously.

as has already been previously stated this trope / relationship and all its implications have been a part of American public consciousness since at least the 50s.

It's not PC, its not cut and dry what counts and what doesnt. Race tropes never are, thats why race is still a touchy subject. Trying to divide up what actually carries racial /racist connotations and what doesn't, and what those connotations explicitly are and are not, is pretty much impossible. Tropes Are Flexible, Race is complicated.

As for the name, i really dont care either way.

1. Did we settle on definition?

2. My vote is still with Me Love You Long Time.

No New Stock Phrases. So, no.

It's not a new stock phrase. And Where da White Women At? was given a pass exactly for this reason.

Read the page, not the name, mate.

By the way, did we ever agree on what this trope is? I thought somethink along Asian Hooker With White Man (notice the "hooker" vs. "man" contrast)