Swap with redirect: Anime Anatomy

This title has always bothered me. Yeah, anime uses this trope often, but so what? Anime is more likely to show naked people in the first place due to less of an Animation Age Ghetto in Japan, but often uses this trope to avoid censorship. It is not universal among anime, nor is it exclusive to anime. Even people who have seen anime wouldn't immediately connect the trope meaning. They might assume it's about anime characters having odd-colored hair and large eyes, which are stereotypical features of "anime anatomy".

The trope being named "Anime Anatomy" encourages people to list aversions in the anime examples while they wouldn't list aversions elsewhere, just to say "this contradicts the trope name, oh wow."

We have a much better name as an alt-title: Barbie Doll Anatomy. Many more people will have seen a barbie doll and noticed this trope than have seen a wide sampling of anime and noticed this trope. In the event that a reader has no idea what a Barbie doll looks like, it's the page image, you can google it easily, and you know it's a doll, which is unlikely to be pornographic. I think we should switch it to the main trope name.

I agree with everything you said. Support the switch.

I agree with this premise. It also seems to suffer from some under-use in anything that's not anime.

I also support this change because Anime Anatomy makes it sound medium specific when it actually isn't.

Hm... Yeah, I'll agree unless someone proves it isn't being underused outside of anime. That's not the full reason I support renaming it though: Listing aversions seems pointless, but people do it likely because of the name.

I wouldn't be that opposed to a rename but not with the redirect it's just as bad in description department... Something like Invisible Anatomy, Missing Anatomy, No Private Parts Shown, Invisible Private Parts etc would be much better.

A choice between the redirect and current name.... I would chose the current name though.

edited 28th Jan '12 9:35:03 PM by Raso

As much as I'd like it to stay as it is, I'm inclined to agree that the trope's name focuses too much on one medium (a medium that may or may not even use the trope).

Invisible Genitals? I agree the redirects aren't the best choice for name, but the current one is pretty bad.

I think that along with Anime Catholicism Anime Hair, and Animesque, this trope is well understood to use phrase "anime" in a siilar way to how the Hollywod tropes use "Hollywood" referencing other media than Hollywood movies.

Besides, 2,099 inbounds prove that it's very popular.

edited 29th Jan '12 12:28:37 AM by Ever9

Huh, never looked at it that way.

That would be hard to prove. Even if the trope can possibly happen in any medium, it's still being heavily associated with anime, since it's the only medium that can't show nudity on TV, but frequently insists on doing it. So it makes sense that aversions there are more noticeable than aversions in a medium that wasn't expected to use it. "Showing nudity" is the aversion of many tropes, but it's depending on the specific work, which of them is more noticeable.

For example when you see Bart's thingy in The Simpsons movie, you are more likely to think "LOL, they actually showed it, I thought they will cover it up with something", and not "LOL, Bart has a penis!" Because Scenery Censor is more commonly used there, (and in fact, that specific scene was really a gag about a temporary Scenery Censor aversion).

But when you are watching an anime, the element of surprise is not the fact that you are seeing full frontal nudity - You can see that in every second series - but that they are actually drawing everything. Even if the trope would be called Barbie Doll Anatomy, it's aversion would still be more noticeable in anime, than in other mediums. (except maybe modern graphic novels)

edited 29th Jan '12 1:41:01 AM by Ever9

Barbie Doll Anatomy is a more generalized name, even if it continues to mean exactly the same thing. The trope is prevalent in anime, but it's not a unique perspective like Anime Catholicism.

edited 29th Jan '12 1:22:14 AM by rodneyAnonymous

More generalized for whom? That's just replacing one pop-cultural reference with another. It isn't even a more accurate phrase, after all, the characters in question are not necessarily barbie dolls any more, than they are anime characters.

"More generalized for whom?"

The planet.

I might be overestimating the extent of Barbie's proliferation.

After a certain point, more proliferation doesn't mean much. You might as well propose to rename Status Quo Is God to The Default State Is God just in case someone doesn't know what "Status Quo" means. It's certainly likely that there is such a person, but at this point, reaching to them would cause more harm than good. "I can think of an even more generalized name" is not a reason for renaming.

Likewise, for all of our purposes, Anime Anatomy seems to be working. It's very popular, it's not misused, and how it's examples are shared between media reasonably reflects it's prevalence in them.

edited 29th Jan '12 6:14:30 AM by Ever9

Switching a medium specific name for a medium specific (if we want to call toys a medium) Trope Namer name doesn't sound like an improvement to me.

Also, the lack of genitalia isn't the only thing the doll's anatomy is known for. It is also known for unrealistic anatomical proportions, especially when it comes to bust size.

I'm fine with a rename, but we need something better

For the record, this trope is also about nipples, not just genitalia.

I agree the name is bad. And I think Barbie Doll Anatomy is a better name to it. Yeah, it is 'medium specific' as well, but it is much more intuitive. Also, I use variations of 'Barbie Doll Anatomy' for this trope much before I knew TV Tropes existed, myself, and most people instantaneously knew what I was talking about.

Btw, Invisible Genitalia is bad 'cause this trope may refer to the nipples as well.

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edited 29th Jan '12 6:28:29 AM by Catbert

Not really you could be talking about Heartman Hips or whatever and the whole issue of she couldn't have children with a waist like that or a lot of other things people have had issues with Barbie over the years. (Anatomically Impossible I think was another word thrown around for that criticism.)

Changing one trope namer with another is a flat out waste and sets a very bad example for future repairshop threads .

Manikin Anatomy?

edited 29th Jan '12 8:21:24 AM by Raso

Barbie Doll Anatomy also has the perk of being what they actually refer to it In-Universe in media frequently. It's a pre-existing term that's only used for one thing unlike Anime Anatomy.

Manikin Anatomy works too.

Is it? Then I don't think there is much more to discuss. I mean, we tend to favor pre existent terms when posible, don't we?

edited 29th Jan '12 8:15:07 AM by Heatth

Anime Anatomy is also a preexisting term and a very common one... And like I said in my last post Barbie Doll Anatomy can be used in other ways too. (And Trope Namer switched with Trope Namer is bad...)

Manikin Anatomy I think could work really well it's a very common describer of this.

edited 29th Jan '12 8:21:55 AM by Raso

Is Anime Anatomy pre-existent? Never heard before, myself.

Among anime aficionados, maybe. Not being one who is very familiar with anime myself, however, I can't say that I'm familiar with many references to this sort of convention being identified by anime (other than this wiki).

More often, I see the comparison is drawn to action figures and Barbie dolls, like Alan Rickman's allusion to a "Ken doll" in Dogma.

edited 29th Jan '12 8:30:00 AM by SeanMurrayI