All-Purpose Nasuverse Fanfiction Thread

... Okay, I'm just gonna lift the veil of subtlety.

So, Rider will eventually be revealed not to be Ruby or Little Red Riding Hood (Well, loosely her story is the same as LRRH), but rather the Grim Reaper, going through both a 63ing as some Fate Servants go through, Crescent Rose being the name she gives her Scythe.

edited 8th Dec '16 7:59:12 PM by Psyga315

There's a problem with that.

Why would the Pale Rider be masquerading as Ruby Rose? Why would it call its scythe Crescent Rose? Why would it have an alternate mode as a Sniper Rifle?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

And where's Binky?

... You're pretty much saying what I have been saying all along. It's the same NP, but the system finds it more convenient to treat it otherwise within its rule system, even if it knows that it's actually one NP.

It's not Early-Installment Weirdness when the same thing happens to other NPs in later installments. See Karna's original profile in Fate/complete material IV (released in 2011), which was intended for use in the cancelled Fate/Apocrypha game; Brahmastra has a default mode under that name, and an alternate mode where it's combined with Karna's Mana Burst (Fire) to turn it into a Fantastic Nuke. Both are treated as separate Noble Phantasms within the profile, despite the descriptions acknowledging that they're really one Noble Phantasm.

Sorry to burst your bubble, IANCE, but Fate/complete material III describes "Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death" as a technique as well.

Honestly, what's it going to take to make you realize you have no grounds for your argument anymore?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Yanno, in one way, you're right.

Gae Bolg is two separate entries in Cu Chulainn's sheet.

Problem is, and I'll try to be as clear as possible, that they're two different Noble Phantasms, and that's because Gae Bolg itself only has one mode of use, and the other is Cu Chulainn using it in a way it was never meant to be used.

One of them is how Gae Bolg works. It's what would happen if someone without Cu Chulainn's skill using it were to use it. That's Gae Bolg's effect if you call out its true name.

The other is how Cu Chulainn uses it. As in, the way that is only possible if you have Cu Chulainn's skill at using it. It's not meant to be used that way, and it's not something the spear can do on its own. Yes, it is properties that the spear has, it was just never meant to use them that way.

By comparison, changing form is what Crescent Rose does. It's a function of it as a Noble Phantasm. It's not something that is unique to its user, it's not something that is separate from its normal abilities, it's not something that it was never meant to do. Noble Phantasms don't have multiple entries because they have multiple uses and forms and abilities.

Like every other rule that is 'broken' in the Nasuverse, there's always a reason and explanation for why it's different from others. In Gae Bolg's case, the explanation is actually rather simple, now that I'm awake enough - one is Gae Bolg. The other is Cu Chulainn's Gae Bolg.

edited 9th Dec '16 4:31:11 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Yeah, but notice that I never made any reference about whether or not the causality-violating mode (which is what you're referring to as "Cu Chulainn's Gae Bolg") is inherent to Gae Bolg itself.

... Come to think of it, how do we know that the "Barbed Spear that Strikes with Death" attack is only possible to Cu Chulainn? He created it the technique, sure, but say that some other Irish hero inherited the spear after his death and his legend had it that he used that technique (whether by being directly taught by Cu Chulainn himself, or being awesome enough to learn through observation or even essentially reinvent it on his own); it seems plausible to me that said hypothetical hero would be able to use the technique too if he was summoned as a Servant.

PS: I sympathize with you on the whole "should have waited until I was fully awake" thing, because I made that mistake before more than once.

edited 9th Dec '16 5:40:55 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

You do, but your blunders aren't quite as spectacular as what I wrote before the edit. Trust me. It was bad.

Reversing causality isn't unique to Cu, Scathach's Gae Bolg Alternative can do it too, it's just that using it in melee is his thing - Scathach throws it. Even in FGO, you can see that she's not holding her spears after she initiates the attack. Even if somebody were to be able to learn how to do it, it would still be 'Cu Chulainn's version of Gae Bolg', even if it was someone else using it, because he made it possible.

edited 9th Dec '16 6:12:12 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

So, food for thought: Fate crossed over with Daily Life with Monster Girl. Essentially, replace Kimihito with Shirou, not too long before the Holy Grail War begins. Hilarity Ensues. Notes:

• Saber and Centorea would get along like a house on fire.
• Poor, poor Sakura, having a lot more competition... But I have a feeling she might actually get along with Rachnera. Especially since Rachnera would enjoy tormenting Shinji. Also, Rachnera would probably get along with Caster, they both have a thing for bondage (see Caster trying to "break" Saber in the church in UBW).
• I wonder how Rider would feel about an entire demihuman sub-species being named/based on her.
• Such a shame Meroune wouldn't be able to meet Hans outside of the Fate/Extra or Grand Order setting. Likewise, Centorea wouldn't be able to meet Chiron.
• I can see Gil riddling Zombina with swords, only to not realize she's not dead and get shot in the face when he gets too close. And since his incarnated form makes him a lot more vulnerable to standard firearms than other Servants. That'd be a riot. Other Servants, such as Lancer, wouldn't be so easily caught out, though.

At the least, it'd be entertaining.

Hmm. I wonder if all the monstergirls get attracted to Shirou (this is likely, he has harem protagonist powers), or if some will become more interested in other guys. Like, EMIYA or Lancer - what's not to like?

Or, heh, imagine a Dryad (or whatever plantgirls there are) mistaking Berzerker for a treant and falling in love.

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.

Well, it's not impossible. Hell, Cu Chulainn is canonically a very, very handsome individual and he's a very fun and loyal guy, and EMIYA still has Shirou's Eroge Protagonist instincts and knowledge, as proven by the Da Vinci event in Fate Grand Order, where he correctly deduces that Jeanne Alter is building an Otome Protagonist Harem for herself (and accidentally created psycho lesbian Bryn).

edited 10th Dec '16 1:44:59 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

You're serious?! Oh man, now I want to see what normal Jeanne has to say about this!

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Nothing - she wasn't around for the event.

In fact, I don't think OG Jeanne has actually ever interacted with Jeanne Alter. Mostly because, IIRC, the last time Jeanne was part of an event, it was the Prison Tower event, and Jeanne Alter hadn't been released yet.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

My question isn't contingent on whether or not they've already met.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

You said you wanted to see Regular Jeanne's reaction. He told you you couldn't since they've never met. That is perfectly contingent to what you asked for.

OG Jeanne, the one we summon anyway, doesn't even know Jeanne Alter exists.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

They had a short interaction in the Nero Festival Round 2 opening cutscene, and Jailter interacted with OG Jeanne a bit as well.

That's it, as far as I know.

Just because they never met doesn't mean they can't/won't meet in the future.

"Jailter"? Who... Oh, you mean Lolienne/Loli-Jeanne?

edited 11th Dec '16 4:57:33 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

He helpfully gave you an answer to whether they'd met or not yet since you had expressed an interest on it, and that kind of pointless nitpicking is your reaction? And then you wonder why you don't get more input from me.

edited 11th Dec '16 5:02:27 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

It was "helpful" in the way similar to how a Backhanded Compliment is a "compliment"; it technically does offer useful information, but the way he delivered it came across as trying to shut the line of discussion for no good reason.

So they've never met; why not speculate on how a hypothetical meeting or OG Jeanne being told of what Jeanne Alter is doing would unfold? OK, so IANCE might not want to discuss it due to disinterest; there are better ways of getting that across without appearing to judge the whole discussion as a waste of time.

... Then again, I just remembered that I'm talking about an unrepentantly self-admitted Jerkass (who nevertheless appears to have some admirable standards); maybe I forgot about that in his case.

PS: ... and WTH does this have to do with you not offering "any more input" to me? Oh, it came across as nitpicking to you. That makes sense... though I believe you're wrong in this case, as the above expalnation hopefully shows.

edited 11th Dec '16 5:12:22 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Then go write something about it.

... oh, wait, you won't.

So you're saying that answering your question is the same as giving a backhanded compliment.

Are you serious?

You know why I don't speculate? Because I have nothing to go off on. I have nothing to speculate from. I have nothing to say about how they'd interact because they've never interacted in a non-jokey setting. I cannot speculate because I have absolutely no idea how they would act towards each other.

I would be a hypocrite if I threw out speculation about this while at the same time denouncing people who pair together characters who've never met or talked to each other in the series they're from. (Sasuke/Hinata shippers, I'm looking at you)

edited 11th Dec '16 6:12:53 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I was about to say "Is that really a ship?" but then I was like "Wait a minute, this is the Internet. Of course that's a ship."

Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!

It's probably the most popular non-canon ship for Sasuke and Hinata.

Not even kidding.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I hate the Internet.

Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!

I'd ask when did SasuHina start, but it's not on-topic and probably nobody remembers anyway.

No, I'm saying the way you responded to the question is akin to giving a backhanded compliment when the situation calls for giving a straight compliment instead.

Mind you, if I had said "Do OG Jeanne and Jeanne Alter ever meet in FGO?", then your response would've been perfectly acceptable and I would have no grounds to complain about anything concerning it.

edited 11th Dec '16 7:14:26 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.