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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#14651: Jun 25th 2015 at 2:30:15 AM

[up][up] Wait, really? Then why are we having this argument?

On a semi-related note. I'd like to see a fic where Shirou somehow summons Saber Lily as seen in Nerve Damage just to see what the differences would be.

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TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#14652: Jun 25th 2015 at 8:08:09 AM

Because people like arguing? As in, instinctively?

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#14653: Jun 25th 2015 at 9:13:36 AM

Random Question: What is this "hax dex bonus" phrase that IANCE used?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#14654: Jun 25th 2015 at 9:33:52 AM

@Eva Unit

Even if you can't understand it, doesn't mean that someone else can't.

To you, it is incomprehensible, and you have no idea why someone would even think that way.

But to them? It's perfectly logical.

For you, the mere idea that someone could discard ethics and morality like that is just inconceivable.

But to me?

To me it's just pragmatism.

@Zelenal

Disregarding the fact that this is not something I planned to write, as I lack the skill to pull it off, nor is it something I've used in any of my fics...

What you're saying is that I should change the story, compromise. For... what reason, exactly?

To be popular?

Well, I don't care about being popular. So long as there's one guy who reads the story and likes it, I don't care if everyone else hates it, because so long as one person has enjoyed it... then it has served its purpose.

If you're a slave to popularity, your story will have no soul.

By the way, as I said before, this isn't a game of Warband.

Arturia isn't perpetually behind a desk thinking up ways to drive off the invaders, nor is she perpetually seeking out fights. That's not how actual war works. Arturia leads her knights into battle, and it is not the slightest bit strange that she'd be leading them in recovery and salvage efforst, because the same concept applies: Lead by example.

edited 25th Jun '15 9:38:29 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#14655: Jun 25th 2015 at 9:47:58 AM

I don't know man. I can kinda see where you're going, but you may be too stuck on this specific scenario.

The thing is, like others said before, some people might be more stuck on the idea of Arturia killing a baby, then any justification for it—no matter how logical it may be, and I do think you've done a good job explaining your reasoning—so much so that it might turn them off the entire story.

If other's find it as decisive as some here have, you might want to really consider trying something else.

I think you are on the right track to that defining moment that decides King Arthur, or Queen Arturia, but you might want to consider some alternate scenarios for it.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#14656: Jun 25th 2015 at 10:13:33 AM

It's not that I'm stuck on the scenario, Rob, it's that this was the scenario being discussed.

And like I said... I don't care if it turns off some people.

Because if I've reached that point, then I'm clearly writing a ridiculously dark story not meant for the people who would be so fixated on just one such event.

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#14657: Jun 25th 2015 at 12:12:24 PM

Even if you can't understand it, doesn't mean that someone else can't.

To you, it is incomprehensible, and you have no idea why someone would even think that way.

But to them? It's perfectly logical.

I get that. The sentiment I was trying to convey was "I can't look at it from their perspective even if I try," in response to your advising me to do so.

I get that it - somehow - makes sense to them. I can't understand it, but there's not really anything to be done about that save to accept it.

My logic =/= their logic, so the only sensible thing to do is = accept that such is just the way it is.

edited 25th Jun '15 12:13:40 PM by EvaUnit01

Moopsball Since: Sep, 2014
#14658: Jun 25th 2015 at 12:15:53 PM

I think this whole debate was about Fate/Prismatic Chaos, which sadly stopped updating years ago. So it's a pretty pointless argument to begin with.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#14659: Jun 25th 2015 at 12:50:21 PM

It could be. Honestly, I couldn't remember where it came from.

Even so, it doesn't really matter.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#14661: Jun 26th 2015 at 6:45:09 AM

Having the high ground usually gives you some kind of advantage in most table top role plays, I think. Might also be a reference to Star Wars Episode III in which case I'd have to burn IANCE.

Might be a reference to Darths & Droids in which case they'd be fine.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#14662: Jun 26th 2015 at 9:43:14 AM

It's a reference to a gajillion things.

But mostly, it's a reference to the VG Cats parody of that scene in Episode III, in which Obi Wan says that the High Ground gives him a dex bonus and Anakin calls hax.

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SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#14663: Jun 28th 2015 at 5:00:58 PM

Saw the UBW Ending. Wow, Rin looks so weird withot the hairstyle associated with her. And now I REALLY want ufotable to animate Prisma Illya 3rei. Alas, looks like Silverlink keeps its job.

I wonder if there's any chance of ufotable Hollow Ataraxia though? Or better yet, ufotable Tsukihime, Satsuki Route.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#14664: Jun 29th 2015 at 7:09:33 AM

You know, I'm surprised that nobody wrote a fic in which Luvia gloats to Rin over having a bigger chest, only to stop talking and stare in mixed shock and outrage as her rival's younger sister Sakura enters the scene in a somewhat form-fitting sweater. Cue Sakura being puzzled as to why the foreign blonde leaves in a bad mood when she was just politely asking her to stop calling her older sister names.

... Of course, who knows if she's faking being oblivious and is secretly gloating maliciously over reasserting her superiority in physical femininity once again.

edited 29th Jun '15 7:10:25 AM by MarqFJA

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#14665: Jun 29th 2015 at 7:14:54 AM

It'd only make Luvia mock Rin harder, over being her own family's genetic runt.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#14666: Jun 29th 2015 at 7:30:56 AM

I'd think that would be Luvia's attempt to salvage something out of what is evidently her loss as the representative of the Edelfelt family's greatness to the second scion of the Tohsaka lineage rather than the first one in an area of femininity that is typically considered very crucial to a woman's body image. If Rin manages to remain smug in the face of such a barb, then Luvia would feel even worse than before, since not only had she been dealt a "defeat", but she even failed in her attempted retaliation (i.e. two defeats in a row).

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#14667: Jun 29th 2015 at 4:52:31 PM

I still want to see Rin and Shirou going to magic college with the climax of the story being them returning to Fuyuki with Waver to dismantle the Greater Grail.

Also, I wonder why no one bothered to correct Luvia's mispronunciation of Shirou's name. I hope the English dub makes it to where Luvia's pronouncing Shirou's name as Shihrou rather than Sherou.

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SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#14668: Jun 29th 2015 at 5:25:11 PM

They're deliberately anglo-mispronouncing it because Aluminum Christmas Trees. Because Asian names being mispronounced no matter how many times we tell you the correct pronunciation is a thing that happens. In Shirou's name, for example, most non-anime initiated would pronounce the last syllable 'row', as in row boat. The correct pronunciation if closer to 'raw', as in raw vegetable. For an example, find an old Samurai X dub (and I found having an IRISH POLICE OFFICER in japan hilarious, btw), that's exactly how they pronounce Amakusa's name.

edited 29th Jun '15 5:27:39 PM by SCMof2814

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#14669: Jun 29th 2015 at 5:43:16 PM

[up] Nnnnnoooooo. The pronunciation of ろう is closer to "row" than it is to "raw". For starters, the former actually has the proper "O" sound although you don't really pronounce the "W" in "raw" so there's that. Either way, the "R" is wrong.

Besides, ignoring the "R", it's usually the "I" that's mispronounced if a person just reads the name. There's no reason to mispronounce the い sound if you can actually hear it being said.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#14670: Jun 29th 2015 at 6:56:21 PM

English having the pronounciation rules it does makes it very difficult for those with it as a native language to correctly pronounce Japanese. Most romantic languages, though, have an easier time because the pronounciation of the syllables is roughly the same.

There's a reason why we call it 'Romanization', after all.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#14671: Jun 29th 2015 at 6:59:42 PM

I suppose. Regardless, it will always annoy me and I will drop the dub of UBW in heartbeat if they mispronounce the "I" in Rin's name.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#14672: Jun 29th 2015 at 7:20:50 PM

Some things do clash. For instance, 'Rin' is actually pronounced differently in Spanish and Japanese, because in Spanish, if a word starts with 'R', then it's always a hard R, while Rin's name is pronounced with a soft R sound. But it's easy enough to adapt after hearing it once.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#14673: Jun 29th 2015 at 7:24:32 PM

I do not understand your point. Is it that different languages have different pronunciations or something?

Also, I cut people slack on the Japanese "R" since that can be pretty hard to pronounce, especially for someone who only speaks English.

edited 29th Jun '15 7:25:30 PM by Zelenal

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#14674: Jun 29th 2015 at 7:27:04 PM

Is it that different languages have different pronunciations or something?

It's a feature of languages, not a bug.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#14675: Jun 29th 2015 at 7:36:01 PM

What is even?

How is-?

What are-?

Fuck it, I give up.

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