The Gun Thread

I love Harries technique.◊

I don't know how effective it is (and well, I will probably never learn it first hand XP), but man, that sure looks cool.

edited 15th Nov '15 1:55:00 PM by dRoy

Not magpul tacticool enough. Everyone knows real operators would never hold their gun like that.

I would rather just wear a headlamp or something.

Yeah, but if the intruder shoots at the light, as is the natural instinct, you've got a bull's-eye on your forehead.

That's why the old FBI technique was to hold the flashlight out sideways at arm's length. Trouble is, your arm gets tired if you have to hold it that way for any length of time.

Thats what flashbangs are for

I'm pretty sure your average law enforcement officer wouldn't have an access to a whole lot of them.

Besides, stun grenades have been known to start fires and burn the whole building down. I'd rather not toss them around inside my own house, thank you.

Also, unless the suspect is confirmed to be armed and dangerous, using a flashbang probably would count as an use of excessive force.

Night vision goggles.

Unless we live in video game world where they all glow really brightly.

If you are leveling a gun at someone a less than lethal stun weapon is in no way excessive force.

Now you're getting into a really murky area. Dammit Jim! I'm a gunsmith, not a lawyer!

Well Doc, better get studying them laws!

That FBI light away technique is fucking bullshit. That crossed over light thing is awesome. You can almost support your shooting hand, and keep your light pointed at what you're aiming at. Yes. Perfect.

Guys, to those of you who are well familiar with the Kalashnikov family of assault rifles, I ask this: How do the AK-47 (7.62 mm), the AKM (again, 7.62 mm), and the AK-74 (5.45 mm) compare to each other as a weapon of choice for a team of mercenaries who are sent to rescue a bunch of VIPs from a dinosaur-infested island? I'm trying to pin down the model of the weapon that the mercs in Jurassic Park: The Game use; it's definitely an AK, that's for sure, but which one is what I'm trying to find out. Here is a screenshot of one merc with the assault rifle in question.

Sorry that AK is horribly modeled but judging from the magazine shape it seems to be an AKM (AKA AK-47)◊^note Now try to say it out loud three times.

edited 18th Nov '15 2:56:38 PM by AngelusNox

Of course it's horribly modeled. Do you have any idea how many games slaps the AK-47's appearance on a later member of the AK family for no good reason? Seriously, what's the trope for "All AKs Are AK-47s"?

... And I only see "AK-47", "AK-74", and "AR" in that pic.

edited 18th Nov '15 2:47:22 PM by MarqFJA

If the magazine on a Kalashnikov pattern rifle has a sharp curve to it it's a 7.62mm AK-47-based rifle. If it has a shallow curve it's a 5.45mm AK-74-based rifle. Or a 5.56mm AK-102.

The pressed-in divot and rivet-heads in the side of the receiver indicate that it's stamped, not milled. And I think the mag shape looks like a 7.62 rather than a 5.45, so AKM.

Of the three (given) choices, personally I'd go with the AKM. The AK-47's solid steel receiver makes it virtually indestructible, but heavier than it really needs to be (nine-and-a-half pounds, versus seven pounds for an AKM). And the AK-74's small-caliber bullet doesn't penetrate dense jungle foliage as well as the 7.62 does.

And the trope you're looking for is A.K.A.-47

edited 18th Nov '15 3:59:19 PM by pwiegle

Somebody mentioned AKs I came as fast as I could.

Magazine says 7.62 but it looks like it's lacking the muzzle slant from the AKM. I also can't give too much on the reciever because the picture is tiny, the model is not good, and my eyes are awful. It's also got that weird thing on it.

The gas tube also resembles the 47 than it does the AKM and the stock is pointing ever so slightly down, something the older 47s did that the later AKMs didn't.

I'm gonna have to say poorly modeled AK-47, not an AKM.

edited 18th Nov '15 9:20:03 PM by LeGarcon

Wouldn't you need something bigger than AK anyway?

I think they'd want an elephant gun.

For Raptors and anything smaller? Any intermediary caliber rifle would suffice.

For T-Rex sized and smaller maybe any full sized .30 and above would work, even the intermediary calibers would if you hit enough times.

After all, the preferred poacher gun is an AK not a .338 Laupa magnum or a .600 Nitro Express. These are for wealthy hunters, poachers on the other hand just put enough holes on elephants, which would do as much if not more damage than a single large hole.

Well, they were supposed to be doing a quick in-and-out rescue mission. Just go to the Visitor's Center to get the two remaining survivors there, then pull out to the scientist's isolated lab to get her out. End of story.

Of course, they didn't expect that there would be another merc on the island doing a wholly unrelated job (secure a canister of stolen embryos for a rival company), who held the two aforementioned survivors at gunpoint to force the park employee of the two to show her the safest way to her escape point (and double as hostages in case someone comes across them); or that there are a number of monstrously hyper-dangerous predators loose that were supposed to have been put down on the company's orders, but which the aforementioned scientist had secretly kept alive for stupid Animal Wrongs Group-type reasons; or that said scientist would continually keep mucking things for the whole group (her dragging her feet about evacuating without her research materials led to the group losing their chopper and their firearms; her keeping the existence of the aforementioned predators a secret led to several people dying horrible deaths; and so on so forth).

Heck, most of their troubles with the dinos happened after they lost all of their guns, and in situations where those guns would've been really useful. They're just lucky that one of them was so badass that he managed to win a close-quarters fight with a Velociraptor with nothing but his fists and a combat knife!

edited 19th Nov '15 5:05:04 AM by MarqFJA

Remember, the mercs' primary mission isn't to hunt dinos, it's to rescue people. Also, most dinos aren't as big as T-Rex or as aggressive as Velociraptor, most animals will shy away from loud noises (like gunfire), and no living creature with an iota of self-preservation likes getting shot, even with a .22.

If it were me, I might take along something bigger as a backup, like maybe a Barrett .50 cal. But an AK would be perfectly adequate for protection and/or deterrent value.

Does anyone know how common lever-action rifles are in the UK relative to bolt-actions? For instance, would it be an unusual sight for someone to be seen using the former instead of the latter whilst deer hunting?