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SantosLHalper Since: Aug, 2009
#1: Jan 14th 2012 at 8:44:06 AM

I think that Crystal Dragon Jesus should apply to other Fantasy Counterpart Religions, and not just Christianity (so a Fantasy Counterpart Culture of India that worships an ersatz Hindu Pantheon should count as this, for example). Does anyone else agree with me?

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#2: Jan 14th 2012 at 8:46:05 AM

I think that a supertrope would be better than expanding. All religions have their own shtick and are the ways that these things are parodies are better shown off on their own if there are enough examples of a specific religion.

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Goremand Since: Sep, 2010
#3: Jan 14th 2012 at 10:14:13 AM

So you're thinking we need Crystal Dragon Buddha and Crystal Dragon Muhammed also?

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#4: Jan 14th 2012 at 10:16:09 AM

I'm thinking we need Fantastic Parody Religion (or something to that effect) as a supertrope with subtropes split off as they get enough examples and are distinct enough.

edited 14th Jan '12 10:16:27 AM by shimaspawn

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#5: Jan 14th 2012 at 10:29:47 AM

[up]I agree with that

Edit: Fixed Article tag

edited 14th Jan '12 10:30:17 AM by Ghilz

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#6: Jan 14th 2012 at 10:35:35 AM

Not all of these are parodies.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#8: Jan 14th 2012 at 10:43:17 AM

[up] That's a good title. Thank you.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#9: Jan 14th 2012 at 10:47:17 AM

Should we check the wicks to see if this trope is being used more broadly than fantasy Christianity?

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#10: Jan 14th 2012 at 10:50:53 AM

Can't hurt, gives links that can be changed to the proper supertrope if/when it's made

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#11: Jan 14th 2012 at 1:28:08 PM

I don't think I've ever seen this used as referring to anything but Christianity. I'm not saying we shouldn't make the supertrope—quite the opposite—I just doubt there's gonna be need for much cleanup.

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#12: Jan 14th 2012 at 1:58:00 PM

[up]Well let's do a wick check just to be sure.

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#13: Jan 14th 2012 at 9:55:13 PM

Agree on the supertrope and the name Fantasy Counterpart Religion.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#14: Jan 30th 2012 at 3:03:51 PM

I think it would relevant to mention that this TRS thread on the same trope and with a similar topic was closed without any definitive resolution (and without any explicit note justifying the closure, even). And for the curious, yes, there is extensive misuse happenning.

edited 30th Jan '12 3:05:04 PM by MarqFJA

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#15: Jan 30th 2012 at 4:29:47 PM

^ Marq, the fact that the old thread is in the morgue indicates that it was closed sometime since early November of 2011. The last post in it was made in late July of 2011. That means that it was a dead thread for at least 3 months before it was locked and moved. It was locked without action because it didn't go anywhere.

edited 30th Jan '12 4:30:03 PM by Madrugada

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#16: Jan 30th 2012 at 5:05:32 PM

Alright, what would it take to reactivate such a thread, or start a new one to address the raised issue(s)?

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#17: Jan 30th 2012 at 5:32:05 PM

That would be what this thread is about...

edited 30th Jan '12 5:32:18 PM by Madrugada

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#18: Jan 30th 2012 at 5:37:29 PM

The older thread touched on a slightly different issue in addition to the one in this thread, though: The trope being used as a character type (e.g. WH 40 K's God-Emperor of Mankind) instead of "Fantasy countperpart religion with strong visual/thematic similarities to (Roman Catholic) Christianity". I think there was a suggestion for splitting the name from the description into a new trope about said character type, and giving the original description a more indicative name.

edited 30th Jan '12 5:39:37 PM by MarqFJA

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#19: Jan 31st 2012 at 4:55:08 AM

Aaaaand I've just stumbled upon a major roadblock: Apparently, Crystal Dragon Jesus is not "Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Christianity". From the article description, near the bottom:

Not to be confused with Fantasy Counterpart Culture Christianity; a key element of Crystal Dragon Jesus is that it keeps the trappings of Christianity but substitutes a markedly different being in the deity's role.

edited 31st Jan '12 4:55:18 AM by MarqFJA

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#20: Jan 31st 2012 at 9:10:10 AM

It looks like that according to the wayback machine, that line was added in 2009 when someone made the other trope but they didn't clean up the examples. It sounds like someone just added a confused "not to be confused with" line and no one ever bothered to change it.

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