Frozen (Disney film)

Hulk.

That, and we have not yet seen the full extent of Scarlet Witch's powers. Then there are the Infinity Stones...

Also, God of Thunder.

Iron Man would also have a good chance of taking Elsa down, if it ever came to that, although it's pretty much a quick-draw contest.

What would happen if you froze Hulk's heart? Or just froze his body solid? Or just froze his sympathetic nervous system? That same question could be asked of any of the Avengers. And I think the iron man suit would last just as long as it took Elsa to freeze it to fragility, like she did with the manacles and the stone wall of her prison. Scarlet Witch might present a challenge, but my impression is that her power is shorter-ranged than Elsa's.

Basically, it's hard to find a worthy opponent for the Queen of Ice and Snow.

Quick-draw contest. Elsa's ice can be very thick, but the question is if she can create a thick enough barrier before she gets a repulsor blast to the head. Her durability and speed are still only human, after all.

Hulk has the thunderclap trick, as seen in Incredible Hulk, which is in-continuity in this universe. Basically all he has to do to at least severly disorient Elsa, maybe even stun, knock her out, or harm her depending on how close she is, is to slam his hands together at full force, which takes very little time. Maybe just jump up and land on her, which again depends on how fast she can block with a thick enough ice shield. Seeing Hulk casually onepunches things that are as big as Elsa's own ice castle, well...

Clearly, Elsa would be powerless against Iron Man. She could take down Iron Monger, though. He never modified his armor to fix the problem.

edited 20th May '15 8:32:33 PM by spashthebandragon

Hmm. Were I Elsa (there's a favorite fantasy!) I wouldnt bother with an ice-barrier, unless I'm up against one of the assassin-types. For the Hulk, just hit him with an icy blast, perhaps in mid-jump. The hand-clap thing might work on her, though I wonder if a giant snow-man can be stunned. A couple of those could run interference long enough for her to recover.

I dont know what the severe-weather performance of the Iron-Man suit is, but I bet she has the advantage. She just has too many options: Ice-walls, snow-storms, flying ice-creatures, direct blast. Again, I suspect she out-ranges him.

Cap could beat her. By making out with her. >.>

That is a point I'll concede. But let's not get Spash going again.

In any case, the team, as a whole, still outclasses her, although they would still have casualties in a serious confrontation.

Of them all, I think only Thor could really take her down. He's more or less themed that way.

I had a fun idea reading this thread: Scarlet Witch attempting to subdue Elsa by showing her her inner fears. Given what happens when Elsa is afraid, this could either work very well (as when Hans confronts her on the fjord) or not quite work in the way Wanda intended.

We have seen in Iron Man 3 that the armours don't get well with extreme heat, so extreme cold should probably do the same. I guess Vibranium could resist long enough (and besides, Cap has some experience with being frozen and getting over it). Black Widow might get through if she manages to talk before being frozen solid (she has a way with words and Elsa has enough issues to present interesting buttons to push). Thor is used to battling frost giants, so he would be indeed rather qualified.

Darn... as if I had not enough Crack Fic ideas as it is (and the corresponding writer's blocks).

Let's not forget Vision, who can phase through all of her attacks.

Can he do that in the movie as well? There is one shot where he indeed appears to pass his arm through one of the Ultrons, but it happened so fast that I wondered if he was not so much phasing as simply punching through it. Then again, I would perfectly see Vision calmly avoiding all of Elsa's attacks one way or another while trying to talk her down.

He does phase through. There's a green effect as it happens.

I'm lost, are we having this conversation because Disney can legally do this? Heck, if anyone should be afraid of their own power... Disney can throw Elsa into Kingdom Hearts, The Muppets, Star Wars, and Code Lyoko.

I'm pretty sure there are number of legal reasons preventing them to do just that, but since it is at least slightly possible (like the Phineas and Ferb crossovers they did), there is nothing to stop us from imagining it.

Although I'm pretty sure they could add some minor references without much trouble, such as having Hawkeye's kids play with an Elsa doll or something like that. They can also probably do this in out of continuity crossovers (I remember catching an ad on Disney XD for some dessert or other that caused a little boy to turn into Iron Man and his sister into Elsa, so there).

The fun of Elsa taking on superheroes is that she's very powerful and very inexperienced. Ergo perfect bait for trickster villains.

Loki would have a field day with Elsa indeed

As with any [x] VS [y] debate, there's also the specific circumstances, goals, and strategies involved between the two sides that are going to have large implications over how the clash will play out. How did Elsa pick a fight with the Avengers in the first place? Who instigated the battle? If the team simply ambushed her without trying to negotiate as Hans and his troops did, then Elsa would assume the worst and self-authorize deadly force (especially when she realizes that her opponents aren't normal humans). On the other hand, if somehow she was the one with the initiative, she'd most likely be able to subdue one of the Avengers with an Ice Blast to the head with the first move of the battle. It'd also depend on both Elsa and the Avenger's intentions - is the latter trying to secure the former alive (during which they'll clearly opt for non-lethal means) or assassinate her? Does Elsa intend on fighting to retreat, in which she could simply summon a horde of snowmen and run off in the chaos, or to actually attempt to hold her ground? Do the opposing sides even know who the other is? All that talk about the Avengers urging her to stand down becomes irrelevant if the battle is their very first encounter with the Snow Queen.

This might have been posted before, but it's Star Wars nonetheless. The rather high-quality Narm is strong with this one. . .

I'd assume Elsa vs the Avengers would pretty much happen like all the fights in the first part of the first Avengers movie: big misunderstanding that causes the heroes to fight until it's cleared out (or, in the case of the Hulk, jettisoned out of the helicarrier).

An alternative would be Loki or Wanda messing up with Elsa's mind (Loki would be funnier because he would probably actually convince her instead of simply mindraping her like Wanda does). They would probably need to fetch Anna to calm her down.

As if I needed more pitches for fics I'll get writerblocked for...

Has anyone seen this yet? Idina's not bad singing in Japanese.

Elsa would be vulnerable to appeals to her better nature- but if this is post-Frozen, dont assume she's as naive and innocent as she appeared in that one. Give her a few years actually running a kingdom, and she'll learn to see through most BS.

As for mental control- so far as I know she has no defense against that. But messing with Elsa's mind is a little like juggling an atomic bomb- you better know exactly what you're doing.

In my fic, Elsa is wary of the other main character, because he's publicized as a selfless hero, but a lot of his actions are secretive.