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Splitting: My Name Is Not Durwood get usage counts

 101 Spark 9, Wed, 2nd Jan '13 10:54:43 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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[up] I like Malicious Misnaming. Wrong Name sounds like the supertrope, though.
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 102 lu 127, Fri, 4th Jan '13 2:15:30 PM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Malicious Misnaming is awkward.

Taunting Nickname?
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 103 Septimus Heap, Wed, 9th Jan '13 8:55:37 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I think we'll need an Alt Names crowner.

Taunting Nickname sounds good for type b, but what about the one where they just forget because they're an idiot?
 105 Septimus Heap, Wed, 9th Jan '13 9:51:16 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I suggested Wrong Name.

Maybe we could use Alt Names crowners here.

 106 lu 127, Wed, 9th Jan '13 10:08:49 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
How about Cant Get The Name Right for the non-malicious variant? It seems wide enough for forgetfulness, airheadedness and just plain difficult names.

edited 9th Jan '13 10:09:10 AM by lu127

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 107 Septimus Heap, Wed, 9th Jan '13 10:17:58 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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That is OK for me.

 108 lu 127, Wed, 9th Jan '13 11:44:44 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Ok, empty alt titles for the INTENTIONAL VERSION hooked. Fill it up.
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Looking through the examples there it looks like there are some semi-malicious non-deliberate ones. Like a normally not that forgetful person repetedly gets the name of one particular person wrong to show how few fucks they give about that person. I am thinking of ones like this:

  • Mr. Burns' inability to remember Homer's name — indeed, anything about him at all — is a Running Gag, though he doesn't call him other names. Subverted when Mr. Burns is found shot, shortly after Homer snaps and accosts Mr. Burns in his office in an effort to make him remember his name. When Mr. Burns recovers from his coma, the only words he could say are "Homer Simpson", which made Homer the prime suspect in the shooting.

  • Dr. Drakken could never remember Ron Stoppable's name — referring to him many times as "the buffoon". Which led to a Crowning Moment of Awesome for Ron in So The Drama.

  • In the Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends episode "Berry Scary", Bloo almost never gets Berry's name right, miscalling her "Mary", "Jeri", etc. She doesn't mind, up until Bloo simultaneously shoots her down and calls her Heather.

  • In the Digimon Adventure 02 dub, Davis calls TK "TE", "TJ", and pretty much every other combination. TK suspects he does it intentionally. In the original version, this was a none-too-translatable pronoun — and honorific-related matter that basically amounts to Daisuke calling Takeru "Hey You" with a bit of extra pointedness. It might not always be intentional. In one instance where a flustered Davis calls him "TA". TK questions it, and Kari giggles, "He can't even spell TK!" Though it was definitely intentional when he called him "TP". And it's been confirmed that the script writers were brave enough to go through the whole alphabet.

Just wondering which one of the two these would go into.

edited 10th Jan '13 10:31:52 AM by willthiswork

 110 Oreochan, Wed, 9th Jan '13 5:32:46 PM from Pennsylvania
Well, if character A constantly gets character B's name wrong (and won't bother to get it right because they don't care for the person) even though they know it's not their name... I would think it was intentional.
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 111 lu 127, Thu, 10th Jan '13 12:25:04 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Digimon Adventure 02 is the taunting variant. He does it deliberately to be a low-key thorn on TK's side.
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Then there's variations where everybody gets a character's name wrong. This is not because they're malicious or dumb, the person's name in question just is too weird or complicated for normal people to remember. Examples include "the worm guy" in Godzilla and Guybrush Threepwood in Monkey Island.

 113 lu 127, Fri, 11th Jan '13 11:14:04 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
...Which is already noted on the description of Accidental Misnaming.
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 114 Madrugada, Fri, 11th Jan '13 12:20:44 PM Relationship Status: In season
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I've voted both of the "nickname" variants down. This isn't really about nicknames. It's about misnaming. The current laconic at the top of the crowner is not accurate to the description on the sandbox: "Person A hates or dislikes Person B. Person A repeatedly and intentionally calls Person B a name to rile them up, specifically a mutation of their own name. "

edited 11th Jan '13 12:21:46 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 115 lu 127, Sat, 12th Jan '13 3:02:58 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I don't see how it's inaccurate. That's the trope: a permutation of one's name made to annoy them by being insulting or derisive.

Malicious Misnaming is awkward. Very awkward. "Taunting" conveys the meaning behind the trope, since it's made to rile someone up.
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 116 RJ Savoy, Sat, 12th Jan '13 10:34:07 AM from Edinburgh Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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A nickname is an actual (just unofficial in some sense) name. It can be insulting, but the point is that the person is identified by it. Misnaming is more accurate in that what we have here is intended to be a wrong rather than alternate name. The erstwhile [Trope Name] and many other examples make a point of inventing something new each time, so it has no value in identifying someone.
 117 Madrugada, Sun, 13th Jan '13 8:14:12 AM Relationship Status: In season
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"Taunting" means "done deliberately with intent to make the victim angry". Malicious means "done both deliberately and hurtfully" Endora wasn't trying to make Darrin mad when she called him Durwood or Daniel or Darrel; but she was trying to hurt him.

And a "nickname" is a name other than the person's real name used to identify them. (a descriptive or familiar name given instead of or in addition to the one belonging to an individual <his wavy hair earned him the nickname “Curly” early in life>) Synonyms for nickname include: alias, byname, cognomen, epithet, handle, moniker (also monicker), sobriquet (also soubriquet), surname.

Misnaming is calling someone by the wrong name. Endora was not nicknaming Darrin, she was misnaming him. As RJ points out, what she called him varied so widely that it wouldn't work as an identifier.

She was not tauntingly nicknaming him. She was maliciously misnaming him.

We have other tropes for nicknames. Like Only Known by Their Nickname, Affectionate Nickname, Ironic Nickname, Embrassing Nickname...

edited 13th Jan '13 8:18:57 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 118 Madrugada, Sun, 13th Jan '13 8:16:20 AM Relationship Status: In season
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Incidentally, I've altered the laconic as well. This isn't about teasing, which implies good humor, or at least the intent of good humor. It's about being mean.
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 119 Septimus Heap, Sun, 13th Jan '13 8:18:14 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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The laconic in the crowner, I assume.

 120 Madrugada, Sun, 13th Jan '13 8:19:08 AM Relationship Status: In season
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Yes.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 121 lu 127, Sun, 13th Jan '13 8:19:12 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
It is also about teasing, if the pair have an Odd Friendship. It says so in the second to last paragraph in the description.

The fact that the Trope Namer is hurtful does not mean that the trope is only about that. We aren't going by trope namers alone. They do not define a trope.

edited 13th Jan '13 8:19:57 AM by lu127

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 122 Madrugada, Sun, 13th Jan '13 8:26:31 AM Relationship Status: In season
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There is a qualitative difference between someone refusing to use another person's correct name because they dislike them, and a friend using weird nicknames to another friend.

And the current description is the old one, that covered three types of misnaming: deliberate, accidental and teasing. We're splitting it in to Malicious and Accidental. "Friendly teasing" is neither of those, but if it had to be lumped in with one of the other two, it's closer to Accidental than Malicious, since "malicious" and "Friendly" are antonyms.

edited 13th Jan '13 8:50:29 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 123 lu 127, Sun, 13th Jan '13 9:09:17 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Are you looking at the sandbox? That's what we're using. Intentional Misnaming. That's not the old description, it';s the refined one. Teasing is part of the trope.
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 124 Madrugada, Sun, 13th Jan '13 11:03:05 AM Relationship Status: In season
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Yes. And I still don't see why you're lumping "Means well but is clueless that the person being named doesn't like it" with "Intends to be hurtful". The way they're used in stories, and what they connote about the character doing the misnaming are very different.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
That's not quite the difference. For example, one friend teasing another by getting their name wrong on purpose. Affectionate but intentional.

Alternative Titles: My Name Is Not Durwood
9th Jan '13 11:40:52 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
My Name Is Not Durwood is getting split into accidental and malicious misnaming. Pick a name for this sandbox.

Laconic: Using a permutation of someone's name in a insulting/derisive/malicious way.
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