General Star Wars Thread

They might be going that direction with Admiral Rae Sloame. She's no fan of the New Republic, but where the second Aftermath book lets off she was enraged at the direction the Empire is going post-Endor.

I wouldn't be surprised if she eventually ends up defecting outright, but it's going to be a long journey to that point since her A plan involves overthrowing the current leader of the Empire.

Could it be cool if one of us in this thread could be hired as a writer or some sort of member for an official Star Wars project?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.

"Boba Fetish"?

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

To be honest, I thought that Donald Glover was referring to Danny Glover. I have no idea why.

edited 22nd Oct '16 6:16:55 AM by theLibrarian

That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.

I actually did not see that coming.

But yeah, I was rather disappointed by the stroke-for-stroke rehash of the traditional Empire vs. Rebels conflict, not just because it made for an uninspired movie, but because it made for a contrived story in the greater overall setting. As silly as the old canon was at times, at least it didn't go as far as a Full-Circle Revolution that totally invalidated the efforts of the original rebellion.

The worst bit is Jar Jar's "Nazis in Argentina" parallel regarding the FO, which is not only beating a horse that's been dead for the better part of a century, but makes for a bland cookie-cutter conflict with no proper characterization of either side. As cumbersome as the prequels were, they still felt like a genuine attempt at explaining the hows and whys of a tyrant's rise to power - a galaxy ravaged by orchestrated war and willing to accept any form of peace, an army designed for unquestioning obedience, a religious struggle with centuries of build-up... The stuff of legend. In TFA however, the central message seems to be "hey, let's make villains out of the Tea Party, no further motivation necessary". Obligatory planet-destruction notwithstanding, what exactly is the First Order's motivation, and why would it be any worse than the apparently irreparable Republic that dove headlong into corruption as soon as the dust from the Endor holocaust cleared?

That's why an independent character is essential right now. Not a Han Solo prequel that's contractually forced to not allow him any lasting commitment to either side. Not the story of the Death Star builder's daughter (not spoiler-tagged, since it's in the trailers). But the reason for why a completely free and unbiased being would choose one side over the other. Why anyone would really care for these seemingly endless star wars.

Dunno about anyone in the thread, but Disney could use hiring some Blizzard or Bungie/343 writers to flesh out the politics henceforth. There's only one Zahn, and if there's anyone else who knows how to do proper cinematic space opera storytelling, it's them.

edited 22nd Oct '16 7:20:03 AM by indiana404

Donald Glover also has a popular rap career under the name Childish Gambino. Apparently he's a big critical darling but I've no idea how big he is sales wise.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

Dunno why you think Nazis are all dead, but Nazis still exist in the modern day, dude. They're just calling themselves "traditionalists" nowadays.

And the First Order's motivations are pretty damn obvious from what I saw in the movie. They're the remnant of the Empire that didn't stop fighting, and they want to restore themselves to their former status as the premier superpower in the galaxy. Given that they're basically North Korea In Space with access to nuclear weapons superweapons, this makes them even more terrifying.

I do think it's fair to say that Episode 8 needs to do a deeper dive into the overall motives and politics then Episode 7 did. They probably overreacted to the PT, which had far too much of that kind of stuff (though strangely never explained what the Separatists public motive was).

I think Episode 8 needs to give a good sense of where the New Republic is at given recent events, as well as what Snoke's deal is and how it's connected to the stated goals of the First Order.

Oh yeah, I have no doubt that it will. I'm sure Rian Johnson will give us a more in-depth look at both the New Republic AND the First Order.

Well considering how badly written everything in the background is, on both sides, I don't think they will want to focus on it.

edited 22nd Oct '16 9:11:02 AM by Memers

I'm not even sure what you mean, but just because we don't have the full story yet doesn't mean that what we do have is badly written.

"Given that they're basically North Korea IN SPACE! with access to superweapons, this makes them even more terrifying."

Consider one of those superweapons thanks to a groupe of rebels....no, they are not terrifying

And the analogue of "Nazi in argentina" dosent work that well because in the end they didn't do that much and every government work their salt know how to stop them.

I a way I can understand Zephyr and Indiana complain since the state of the galaxy look pitifull "Luke hide away after losing all his padawans, Han become a old man and them dies and Leia have to face the fact the republic she have is incompetent"

Sure things will change soon but right now the prospect is.....awfull

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Right, this is precisely the understanding and productive attitude that quickly defuses problems in dialogue between politically and philosophically opposed factions and prevents violent extremism in real life.

Fact is, the Republic is officially described as corrupt and ineffectual, and there is a growing movement of people opposed to its way of government. It's only natural to ask whether they might have a point, extreme as their methods are. Hell, the Nazi themselves faced British Imperialists, Soviet Communists, and American Segregationists - not exactly a black and white conflict, post-factum sugarcoating notwithstanding. If anything, the original trilogy satirized precisely how the once proud Nazi opponents were starting to act just like them in the proxy conflicts of the Cold War. Even the bathrobe battles were shown as both sides being wrong, with the Sith being power-hungry maniacs while the Jedi were uncompromisingly fanatical, to the point of using a gullible boy to assassinate his own father.

All in all, going for some shades of gray is more than warranted by the current situation, particularly as TFA literally starred a token good stormtrooper, never mind the breakout memetic badass with the taser-tonfa.

If anything positive comes from the First Order's attack on the Republic, it'd be that the surviving leadership finally get their act together, clean house of the corrupt and inefficient, counter attack and restore faith in the government.

Leia's in a pretty secure "I told you so!" position, she's qualified and has experience, I can see her doing it.

"What a century this week has been." - Seung Min Kim

???????? There ARE Nazis still, and they do use code-names like that to hide themselves. What are you protesting about?

They don't have major political power anymore, but they still have many of the same racist ideology that drove the original German Nazi Party.

edited 22nd Oct '16 11:54:53 AM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

Right, because every member of a democracy only ever thinks, votes, and believes the same way. All people of a label are a unified monolith with no differing opinions, ideologies, or goals.

Incompetent bureaucracies are comprised only of incompetent members. That's why there's no such thing as Elite Mooks in an army of Mooks.

I think you missed

edited 22nd Oct '16 11:58:45 AM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

Also, pretty much all of the Far Right political parties in Europe.

....What the fuck are you on about?!

edited 22nd Oct '16 12:05:43 PM by SonOfSharknado

My various fanfics.

They don't, but when the political consensus is so uniformly ignorant and dysfunctional, something is seriously wrong with the electorate as a whole.

You can have disagreements, but when every single person elected to office seems to be a blithering incompetent and every policy completely useless, and such a pattern continues for years and years, the implication is there are deep societal deficiencies that makes any democratic input the wrong one. Either too many idiots are voting, most of the people are terminally dense, or the political culture itself is terminally dense, but these sort of things are characteristic of societies on their last legs, and that a society could go from glorious victory to embarrassing and near-total destruction in a generation speaks poorly when making the argument that the democracy of the New Republic is good.

edited 22nd Oct '16 12:06:25 PM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

OK, I'm confused by all this: what the fuck is going on and why are Nazis suddenly relevant to this discussion?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

JJ described his idea of the FO as akin to Nazis hiding out in Argentina... though as the actual Nazis stayed in Argentina, using them as inspiration might not have been the brightest choice.

But "traditionalists" isn't one of them, no more than modern progressives should be derided as Commie pinkos or useful idiots (not that the originals were all that useful either). Some actual consideration of each party's grievances might be more prudent than just picking a side and lambasting the opposition, lest the outcome sways not to one's hopes. For Star Wars, it means acknowledging that the Republic isn't really working out to everyone's benefit, and its aggression toward the remnants of the Empire might have exacerbated an otherwise avoidable repeat of the good old days.

What "sides" are you talking about? I'm talking about Neo-nazis, including the Alt-right. Pretty sure Poe Dameron up there was as well.

I'd say a topic that's been going on for a page and a half isn't "sudden".

Remember the shit-hole that was the Articles of Confederation? That government lasted less than ten years. It was summarily replaced without a violent revolution or brutal removal from power. Guess how it was implemented? People ratified it. Effectively, it was a vote by representative.

edited 22nd Oct '16 12:18:33 PM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

I never said anything was sudden. I'm just lost in whatever is going on.

EDIT: OK, lemme rephrase: what is the relevance of Nazism to any of this?

edited 22nd Oct '16 12:22:05 PM by AdricDePsycho

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

" Remember the shit-hole that was the Articles of Confederation? That government lasted less than ten years. It was summarily replaced without a violent revolution or brutal removal from power. Guess how it was implemented? People ratified it. Effectively, it was a vote by representative."

Yeah, but half of Congress wasn't secretly in Britain's pocket.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

The New Republic couldn't have been in the Empire's anymore either, since the Empire no longer at this point exists, and most of their assets would have been seized by their captors.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you