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- CCTV footage has been somewhat released
(Yes, those are the suspects involved in the riot)
edited 7th Aug '11 12:10:21 PM by revertedtozero
Hellote.
It's official the looting has moved into my area 
I mean why Enfield Town? Nothing happens in Enfield, Enfield Town is a dead place to go Sounds like it may be moving to Edmonton which is even closer to me
I changed accounts.
All this rioting over the police in what is, beyond a current reasonable doubt, a justified police shooting? You guys really do hate your police. It's a wonder they even bother still, if everyone hates them so much. What a thankless job it must be to try and keep order in the UK, it seems.
Or is it just the dickheads? I surely hope so...
I am now known as Flyboy.
Dude not all of us hate the police. This has gone way beyond rioting over the death of one man and just escalated into petty but destructive looting for people who don't really give a shit about what has been going on. There is no deep meaning to it, it's not the culmination of years of tension between citizens and the police it's just thugs doing what thugs like to do.
edited 7th Aug '11 12:10:43 PM by PiccoloNo92
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- Turns out that it was a police officer that shot the radio... thing:
The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:
The revelation will fuel the fury in Tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers.
It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.
The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.
These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.
The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.
I changed accounts.
He still had a gun, though. Hell, it's better that he never got a shot off. It's asking for a bullet to the brain to wave a weapon around in front of the police. I really can't say I'm surprised.
I am now known as Flyboy.
The Mod with the Migraine
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(NOTE: Having problems linking to twitter ATM.)
edited 7th Aug '11 12:25:57 PM by revertedtozero
Hellote.
It's just the dickheads.
ANY shooting by the police is headline news here. National headline news. Most people here are perfectly capable of getting themselves arrested without anything more heinous than a few bruises to show for it.
As Piccolo is saying, this is mainly a bunch of thugs taking the opportunity to kick off and nick stuff.
It ain't over 'till the ring hits the lava.
The Shadows Devour You.
You can tell they were Jewish from the photos? Must've been really tight jeans.../crassjoke
The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
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Seems the 16yr old girl theory's starting to have some credibility:
link
edited 7th Aug '11 12:29:26 PM by revertedtozero
Hellote.
@USAF: Remember Rodney King? Why do you think half of LA just lost their shit when the police were acquitted? It was because the police harrased their commmunities, treating any teenager with a baseball cap as a criminal.
I changed accounts.
Half the time the police are justified in doing so. The US has a crime problem. This is true. However, we also know that the police have a hard job. They aren't perfect. And we shouldn't be holding criminals above them. Innocent until proven guilty goes both ways. The police deserve respect, because obviously no one else will do their job, and yet we take them for granted. Every time you're in a situation and you think, "oh, well, if this goes bad, I can call emergency services," you justify them. Being ungrateful is just sad and disrespectful at best.
I am now known as Flyboy.
I'm not against the police. There are times when I want to know they're there for innocent people.
But they are not beyond criticism, and treating an entire ethnic group as potential criminals is counterintuitive. I'm not saying this riot was a good thing, the right thing to do, but it was to be expected.
Quit dressing like a fucking gangbanger and you won't get treated like one.. My two cents.
From your side of the pond it looks that way, from my perspective Brits freak out way too much about one person dying from a gunshot when tons of people tie from stabbings and beatings. A homicide is a homicide as far as I'm concerned.
Do black youths dress like gangsters, ro do gangsters dress like black youths, the debate goes on at Chicken v. Egg and the California Board of Education
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Ok, from what I'm getting at twitter, they might have started the riot at Camden. This is just what I'm getting from twitter, it might not be true unless news sources say otherwise.
Hellote.
^^
The black youths who aren't wearing pants sagging past their ass cracks tend not to be the ones who get harassed by cops, like my black roomate who wears jeans that fit and has never had a bad experience with the police.
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I can somewhat confirm that the riots have now reached Brixton in the south of london, meaning now I think we should change the Forum Title.
Hellote.
Important. The reason the riots started, were because a rumour went around that the police had hit a teenage girls in the head with a truncheon at the protest. Wherther or not this happened is unsure, but it's a classic Powder Keg Crowd moment.
edited 7th Aug '11 1:50:24 PM by JethroQWalrustitty
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Keep title as it all sparked from Tottenham and it seems fitting.
Been seeing Photos of my local area it don't look good It seems the entirety of north London has gone to hell.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Jethro; I think your also missing the attitude about Black people is a bit different in the U.K. The incident did not happen in the U.S.
Who watches the watchmen?
Yeah, granted I don't know much other than what I read, but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some degree of profiling in the Old Bill.
What I do know is that many British malls etc. ban hoodies and caps. While they are pretty much the universal teen uniformm, I can't halp but see some Unfortunate Implications.
vigilantly taxonomish
I don't know about the police specifically, but the stereotype of black teens dressed that way is much the same here, I think. Mind you, there's also the panic about white teens being chavs, so I don't know how far that's actually a race thing rather than a distrust of teen fashion in general.
I did think I might change the title to London Riots, but OK, I'll leave it be.
edited 7th Aug '11 2:14:50 PM by BobbyG
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edited 7th Aug '11 12:02:32 PM by PiccoloNo92