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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#39726: Aug 1st 2015 at 8:50:12 PM

A Peter Parker who was half-Asian on his mother's side would've been cool. Doesn't even have to be acknowledged as such in-canon like with Skye.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#39727: Aug 1st 2015 at 9:02:56 PM

So while I still disagree with him on a lot of his theories (he still insists that Nick Fury somehow knows about Thanos and the Infinity Stones), my brother brought up another point about both the Tesseract and the Inhumans:

The latter were created to be weapons....but against who. Perhaps against a certain mad Titan.

And then we have the former. Why was it on earth? Who put it there? And isn't it interesting that it ended up on a backwater planet in the galaxy; the same planet where the Kree did their experiments...... unless it was put there on purpose, by the Kree, and left with people who would defend it when the time came.

The Kree found the Tesseract, put it on Earth, and left the Inhumans there to guard it. Now this theory isn't perfect, since it was said on Agents Of Shield that the Kree left because the initial experiments failed (hence why Vin-Tak was so freaked out when he found out Skye had been changed), but maybe the Kree didn't leave cause the experiments were done. Maybe they left because it was a long term thing. That's why they left a beacon to tell them if anything did happen. Vin-Tak said there had been changes in management since that time, so the knowledge of the experiments were buried, and he was the only was still watching the pot when the Diviner went off.

It's likely he's one of the few in the Empire still aware of it, but since he only said they were made to be weapons, even he may not know that they were also made to be security for the stone (which isn't on Earth anymore).

How's that one sound to you troopers?

One Strip! One Strip!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39728: Aug 1st 2015 at 9:06:07 PM

The latter were created to be weapons....but against who. Perhaps against a certain mad Titan.

It's stated in AOS that the Inhumans were created because the Kree were involved in a long-standing war and needed weapons. In Guardians of the Galaxy, actually, the Kree have just signed a peace treaty with Xander and Ronan talks a lot about his father and his father's father being killed by Xanderians.

So yeah, it was because of the Kree-Xanderian War.

And then we have the former. Why was it on earth? Who put it there?

Odin put it there. It's stated by The First Avenger that the Tesseract was the "jewel of Odin's throne room." Why Odin had it and why he left it on Earth to begin with, nobody knows.

edited 1st Aug '15 9:07:27 PM by alliterator

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#39729: Aug 1st 2015 at 9:10:31 PM

Ok. Maybe they weren't guarding against Thanos, but the Xanderians.

If they had the Tesseract, they might have had a reason to not use it, and created the Inhumans to one day act as future guardians (only to then go Old Shame about the whole thing and wipe all evidence of it since it didn't seem to work anyway).

[up]Oh.

Well shit.

edited 1st Aug '15 9:11:44 PM by HandsomeRob

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#39730: Aug 1st 2015 at 9:13:58 PM

The Asgardians are kind of dicks about dumping crap on Earth.

In the comics Odin banishes the Enchantress and the Executioner to Earth where they immediately start causing trouble. But hey, they're out of his hair.

(Odin is a dick)

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39731: Aug 1st 2015 at 9:45:27 PM

He also dumped Thor on Earth.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#39732: Aug 1st 2015 at 9:51:25 PM

what a diiiiick

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39733: Aug 1st 2015 at 9:59:20 PM

All of this is just making me want to see Hercules in the MCU.

And then we have a Thor vs. Hercules fight.

And then we get the Incredible Hercules Netflix series.

And then I get a pony.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#39734: Aug 1st 2015 at 10:00:12 PM

This seems like a solid plan.

It has my support.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#39735: Aug 1st 2015 at 10:02:19 PM

The pony clinched it, right? Nailed it!

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
DrFurball Two-bit blockhead from The House of the Rising Sun Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Two-bit blockhead
#39737: Aug 2nd 2015 at 12:05:36 AM

And then we get the Incredible Hercules Netflix series.
I've been saying this for a while now. Even though it won't fit into the Defenders (I still think Heroes for Hire would be a better name), it could be like Guardians was to the Phase 2 movies. Didn't tie in much with the Avengers movies, but it was still there, and was great.

I would totally watch a Herc/Cho Walking the Earth style series.

Weird in a Can (updated M-F)
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39738: Aug 2nd 2015 at 12:17:03 AM

Okay, let's put the race issue aside and just look at the character Miles Morales. He is a legacy character. And an important part of his origin story is that he witnessed Spider-man's death. How is that supposed to work in the MCU? They can't pull a fast one like they did with Ant-man and go the "he existed it just wasn't widely known" route because someone would certainly spotted a guy swinging through New York. If Spider-man had been around before 2012, where was he during the battle of New York? The only possible explanation is that he got bitten after it. But that would make him barely a hero, therefore it would make no sense for Miles Morales to be affected by him dying. And then Gwen Stacy (who died the last time the audience saw a spider-man in the theatres) turns up to explain him Peter's motivation? Nothing in this works.

Let's just hope that the MCU stays consistent good and entertaining. We might get to Miles Morales this way eventually. But currently, it makes story-telling wise no sense to pick him.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39739: Aug 2nd 2015 at 12:18:24 AM

[up][up]I would like to see Amadeus Cho in any capacity...a hero whose only ability is to be crazy intelligent? Count me in.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#39740: Aug 2nd 2015 at 12:19:16 AM

Marvel writer: We got a better idea! He's the new Hulk!

My various fanfics.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39741: Aug 2nd 2015 at 12:26:23 AM

Just realized that Ant-Man continues the trend of Phase 2 movies having someone lose an arm.

When Cross' suit gets sabotaged at the end, the first thing that happens to him is his right arm compressing into nothing.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39742: Aug 2nd 2015 at 12:38:24 AM

I think the only property which didn't have something like this is Agent Carter. Even Ao S and Daredevil had a scene like this.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#39743: Aug 2nd 2015 at 12:58:40 AM

Who lost an arm in Daredevil?

Also, do you think Phase 3 will continue this trend, or have a different running joke? tongue

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39744: Aug 2nd 2015 at 1:37:43 AM

This one guy during this one fight....(yeah, very vague, but I am pretty sure that there was a hand-chopping somewhere). It's too bad that Agent Carter is more into amputating legs, or we would have gotten a full set.

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#39745: Aug 2nd 2015 at 4:03:26 AM

you mean a hand crushed in the bowling machine. meh miles is just a subversion of peter parker, basically if someone took a mirror and asked it to reflect the opposite qualities. his purpose is for the audience to see what if peter acted differently. i think we are better off with spiderwoman because shes a character unique to herself and marvel always had the rights to her, but the name would just confuse people with spiderman. adam cho is fitz and simmmons with a superpower brain

edited 2nd Aug '15 4:34:17 AM by xbimpy

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#39746: Aug 2nd 2015 at 6:36:11 AM

I am actually not sure which studio owns Spider-woman. It is entirely possible that this is a stalemate...

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#39747: Aug 2nd 2015 at 7:35:17 AM

Or they could just do what the All-New Marvel comics are about to do and have Peter and Miles both operating as Spider-Man in the same universe at the same time. I'm totally fine with that.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39748: Aug 2nd 2015 at 7:36:38 AM

They could I guess but Miles would have to be changed a lot if they wanted his origin to be done without Peter inspiring him.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#39749: Aug 2nd 2015 at 7:53:58 AM

[up]They could just hold off on Miles until Peter's been a bit more established in the MCU, then. Maybe he could show up in the third or fourth movie, with an Early-Bird Cameo in the first and second.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#39750: Aug 2nd 2015 at 7:57:50 AM

That's what I'm thinking although that pushes back a possible Miles movie until Phase 5 at the earliest. It's too bad Spider-Man can't be done on a TV budget. I feel like that would be a medium to do a series with him.

edited 2nd Aug '15 7:58:10 AM by Kostya


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