We don't need a couple of paragraphs defining Oni.: Red Oni Blue Oni

I'd like to remove the first paragraph or two and just give an attribution of the name further down, after the trope is defined.

Y/N?

No objection at all; the trope name should not be pushed off the bottom of the first screen by irrelevant information about Japanese Folklore.

Chopped the first paragraph out. Decided to leave the second one, as it provided some of the back ground. Gonna try a condensing rewrite after some munchies. Left a single sentence with the name attribution. Any parts of the red/blue definition you think are unnecessary would be cuttable.

Do you think it would be a good idea to start a general "description trim" thread to cut down on these quick threads?

No, for three reasons: 1) things get lost in those megathreads if they aren't dealt with immediately, 2) The pages being brought up for a fix won't be tagged, and 3) It's really iffy trying to predict what will or won't go through quickly.

As long as someone hollers for a lock when a decision is reached we're fine.

Huh? Explaining exactly why they are red and blue is really needed... It could of been moved down a couple of paragraphs.

But they're not red and blue in the majority of examples. Why is it needed?

No, it really isn't. The name is irrelevant. We could have called this Type A Type B Personalities (if that's the proper use of that term) and it would have made just as much sense.

Huh? Yes they are red (or pinkish) and blue in the examples... They are red and blue unless stated in the example.

edited 28th Jul '11 5:24:59 PM by Raso

All examples are listed in the red-then-blue order unless otherwise specified:

That's just the order that's listed. Not the colour. The colour doesn't matter.

edited 28th Jul '11 5:26:38 PM by shimaspawn

Hmmm...maybe it's the splitter in me, but should this page be a subtrope for where they are actually colored, with a supertrope for examples of the personality types but not necessarily the colors?

edited 28th Jul '11 5:28:44 PM by INUH

I'm kinda with INUH, but again, that's my splitter nature. Perhaps a variant of Color Coded For Your Convienence?

Anyway, further edits to the description. I moved bits of it around and made references to Elemental Powers (the descriptions said fire and water, so I used Playing with Fire and Making a Splash and An Ice Person*

I could probably trim more if you think it would be a good idea.

My theory about the mega thread was just a general "do you think this description is too long Y/N?" type thread, like the Natter Alert thread.

edited 28th Jul '11 5:34:43 PM by Deboss

Splitting off the colour coded version might not be a bad idea. It seems like they're currently listed when they ARE coloured instead of the other way around. Though, there's a part of me that's worried that's not really enough for a subtrope. It's basically just this trope, but they happen to be colour coded.

edited 28th Jul '11 5:39:44 PM by shimaspawn

The page is entirely covered with Red motif / Blue motif matching personalities. Its rare when they dont have the differing colors motif in Japanese works which are the source of the name. The Colors are almost always involved in it. (hair colors such as Fiery Red Head and You Just Got To Have Blue Hair, clothing, powers, background motifs etc.) As well as a few inverteds with Gundam Wing and Heartcatch Pre Cure.

Green and purple though are connected to blue, and Pink, orange and such are connected to Red.... Colors in Japanese is funky sometimes. (Red is also the 'hero' color.)

This is also connected to Star Wars, Star Trek (Klingons have a red motif with Transporters and flag, Feds have blue transporters and blue flag.)

edited 28th Jul '11 5:57:45 PM by Raso

Are we good with the trimming and you want to move this to Trope Talk, or should we continue repairs?

Any chance we could get a Troper Tales section for this article?

Troper tales are no longer collected at all on the wiki.

Recommend an alternate title that does not include Gratuitous Japanese, since this trope is listed on several non-anime pages.

Renames generally don't happen unless there's significant misuse, but Redirects Are Free if you want to add some.

Hot And Cold Pair, Red And Blue Pair (these are rarely about actual oni anyway, so might as well skip that part in alt titles).

Hot And Cold Personality Pair for super literal, easy to understand searchable redirect.

The main title is kind of bad, but I imagine by this point there's little we can do about it.

As I understand it, it's a pre-existing term. Pre-existing in the Japanese language, at least.

So?

So that's what it's actually called. We sometimes rename tropes even if they've had a name for a very long time, if there are good reasons to rename, but (unless I'm mistaken) not when it's a pre-existing term. In other words, if it hadn't been, a rename might have been possible, but I don't think one would be a good idea as things are.

I don't think there's a chance that the trope will be renamed, but saying there's a preexisting term in a language that doesn't even use the same alphabet doesn't mean much when the term is not that difficult to describe.

Its a good redirect.

Anyway, The current description is missing the fact that thees are often Colour-Coded for Your Convenience to the literal Red (or pink or orange) and blue (or purple or green) in anime and manga its really needed in the description IMO.

edited 25th Aug '11 3:08:14 PM by Raso