Image requires familiarity with the game depicted: SNK Boss

The image on SNK Boss basically depicts a guy who brings a rifle to a boxing match... however, it's pretty hard to tell unless you're familiar with the name "Von Kaiser", and unless you realize that the oven mitts or standard cartoon White Gloves that the character in the front is wearing are actually meant to be boxing gloves.

Furthermore, the scene shown does not actually occur in the game depicted, and neither is that game an example of this trope. Finally, this trope is not usually "bringing a gun to a knife fight", anyway.

So yeah, while the image may be considered funny, it does not demonstrate the trope well, nor does it do so clearly. Motion to pull.

I thought this was picked by IP, but there isn't a tag.

It was, and the page should've been tagged.

You really can't tell they're boxing gloves? And the caption even says it, right there, see?

I thought this was already on The Computer Is a Cheating Bastard (given how Punch Out is not a fighting game by the traditional metrics).

There was a separate thread for that trope but IIRC it was recently locked for inactivity.

It DOES demonstrate the trope well, Von Kaiser is widely recognizable, and although no punchout game has him with a gun, IF they did, yeah he's be this. Also, it's not bringing a gun to a knife fight.....but a fucking tank to a fist fight.

Well......I DO feel the old Igniz pic fits better.

edited 26th Jul '11 5:20:18 PM by OnagaIsComingToTown

I think the image is good, but that's not a very good reason. I'd say the fact that the complaining guy is wearing boxing gloves is a far better tip-off.

And as for your claim that the old picture is better...how? I just see some guy.

edited 26th Jul '11 5:43:31 PM by INUH

@ Troacct -> Yes, the caption says so. Generally, when an image relies on the caption to work, that means it's not a good image.

@ Onaga -> I'm not sure where you get "widely recognizable" from, but it's also a cocktail, a band, and a German surname. I dislike how the scene depicted doesn't even remotely appear in the game.

edited 26th Jul '11 5:53:44 PM by Spark9

Before accusing others of Fan Myopia, a cursory examination of the facts to determine if that assertion is reasonable would be in one's own best interest. A good number of NES era gamers (of which there are a lot) have at least played Punch Out, almost all of which managed to get to Von Kaiser (as Glass Joe was the only preceding opponent). The subsequent re-release of Punch Out on the Virtual console, combined with the fact that a 7th Gen Wii game, also featuring Von Kaiser, was released a couple of years ago, means that there are PLENTY who would recognize Mr. Kaiser.

Judge not, lest ye be judged, kind sir.

Mind you, it's still true that a good number would not recognize him, just as a good number would not recognize Cloud from FF 7, but that does not mean that either are not widely recognizable.

Edit - Regarding Igniz, he comes from the very series that codified the trope, and is one of the more extreme examples thereof. Igniz is damned near perfect for the page's image. Especially as he can sometimes hit you even after you've lost.

edited 27th Jul '11 8:41:31 PM by OnagaIsComingToTown

They have to show the trope WITHOUT knowing who they are. Assuming in any way that people know who they are is Fan Myopia.

Punch out is not that popular. And Igniz who?

I don't see a problem with the image, although I would have preferred a Rugal one. Both characters are seen wearing boxing gloves - although I admit Von's ones are kinda ghard to recognize as such - which implies strongly they're competing in such a ground. From there, "equipping a [any gun name]" is already a big tipoff. It shows very concisely the Difficulty Spike and somewhat the player/opponent part.

"Widely recognizable" in the context of picking trope page images means "if you walked up to a random person on the street, flashed a picture, and they couldn't tell you who the person in it is, that would be considered weird."

Perhaps a better term then would be "Fairly recognizable", it is true in any case that plenty do in fact know who he is.

Either way, one of the Ko F Bosses would be better. Rugal might be okay, but I would still favor Igniz.

Being recognizable isn't a criteria for being a good image.

Here I agree, at least it shouldn't be, but many consider it a factor, which I find unfortunate. Igniz is certainly a stronger example of the trope, but nowhere near as recognizable as Rugal or Sagat. However, IMHO he is a better person for the image than either of the two.

Maybe Magaki? He's cheaper but doesn't get the overkill if I recall correctly.

Being a good example isn't a major criterion either (though not being one at all is a disqualifier). The purpose of the image is to demonstrate what the trope means. So there might be specific pictures of those two that work, but I'd have to see the individual pictures to comment on it.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:04:28 PM by INUH

Well if you want one who looks the trope Juggernaut from X-men or Moloch from MK 5 would probably be your best bets. Onaga from MK 6 is by far the strongest example I know of, but doesn't look the trope as strongly as Moloch or Juggernaut.

The only problem is that the trope is called SNK Boss and those aren't SNK specific examples. But if that's not a big deal, then they'll work. And any image of either should prove satisfactory.

The current image if fine. After all, you can see someone with boxing gloves about to fight someone else with a machine gun.

The two major problems I have with it are:

1. It's not an actual SNK Boss.

2. Even if it could be argued, Boxing Game =/= fighting game.

I'd completely agree if not for those two things.

1) It's a parody, so it still counts as far as I'm concerned.

2) Don't care, close enough.

Agreed on both.

Eh, as I said above I don't completely disagree anyway. So if everyone's cool with it, it's not worth arguing any further about it at this point.

Well, if people are okay with the image, can we change the subject to the incomprehensible name?

Sure, feel free to start a topic on that in the Trope Repair Shop.