Crystal Tokyo: Why is this bashed in fanfction?

I;ve heard good things about it. So what if it focus on the male character more? Jesus, the Yuri Fangirls and Fanboys for it get pretty damn annoying.

edited 22nd Jul '11 6:04:24 PM by Demongodofchaos2

Because if I wanted something to focus on a male character, I'd watch/read something, almost anything, else.

Its like completely missing the point of Nanoha. Which is why it reads like bad fanfiction.

The sexism in that statement...nauseating.

Isn't the main problem with Force the fact it's plagued with Villain Sues that make the whole cast to Worf like crazy?

Right, because male characters are so horrifically underrepresented in anime and manga. Please, spare me.

That too. You could make Touma a girl and the manga would still suck, it would just piss me off less.

No, that's not the issue, the issue is that you loath Touma simply for being a boy. THAT is sexism.

Yeah, heaven forbid I hate having a male main character in my lesbian power fantasy franchise.

Eh, Pandering to the Fanbase is often a bad thing. As much as I love the original Mai Hime (see the avatar), once the franchise became a Yuri cash cow, it lost all direction because the creators were too busy cramming Yuri stuff in with no rhyme or reason.

Nanoha's case isn't that bad, but a little more of equality between genres doesn't hurt as long as it's well handled. Force's problems, from what I've read on it, stem from other directions.

Not a Sailor moon fan. Bur crystal Tokyo sounds like blatant wishfullfullment to me.

^Not surprising, since Naoko Takeuchi said in one of her artbooks that Sailor Moon was just her personal dream land and characters that happened to have become popular

Actually, my problems with Nanoha Force is that it really seems to be playing out like a bad Dark Age Comic Book. Overuse of Darker and Edgier, Bloodier and Gorier, and Hotter and Sexier with no rhyme and reason solely for the shock factor, battles that's made up of more trash talking than action, younger and hipper '90s Anti-Hero from out of nowhere replacing the main character, maiming of old fan favorites in an attempt to make the new ones 20% cooler, rehashing of old plots, dragging plot sections forever...

Now, granted, Nanoha is infamous for starting weak before shitting out awesome, so I'm mostly waiting for it to start Growing the Beard, but damn if Force hasn't been taking its sweet time to do that. I mean, good grief, the first encounter between the good guys and bad guys took a year to finish. <<;

edited 22nd Jul '11 10:09:32 PM by Servbot

wow Didn't knew that.

I actually liked the fact that a male had a prominent position in Nanoha. It's been such a while I had almost forgotten what that was like.

I can see what people are saying with the Darker and Edgier stuff that's there but Force is far from being Grimdark.

My main problem is that I really don't like the Huckebeins, but they're the villains, so meh...

Also, having villains where you hate all of them is like, so not Nanoha it hurts to read.

And again, why have a male lead in a Nanoha series? Just...why? What does that add? Its not like 90% of works don't already have male leads, how does Nanoha doing it add anything new?

It's exactly because it's Nanoha, that's why it's interesting and new. Seriously, Nanoha is famous for having as few men in it as possible, so having a guy as the actual main character is something completely amazing.

Just the other day, I was in a forum where people were wondering how it is that we've barely seen any male contestants in the tournament they're having in ViViD. Hell when Zafira showed up in his human form, people were seriously amazed.

I'll agree on the villain thing though, hell I couldn't even hate Precia after that talk Fate had with Vivio in Strikers, plus the fact that Precia was insane... though there is precedent in the case of Quatro and possibly, Jail.

edited 23rd Jul '11 2:11:18 AM by Chaosjunction

Yeah, but the entire rest of the Number's were very sympathetic.

And goddammit, I don't want a male lead in Nanoha. Period. Its missing the entire point. And I seriously don't want a shitty male lead like Touma. Though Touma would still suck as a girl, but I wouldn't be as pissed off.

So the entire point is stroke material?

Yes, because clearly the only reason someone wants to see female characters is to get off to them.

thats just a side bonus!

In all seriousness, I don't have a problem with male leads in general, but when they are not only badly written, but also shoved into a franchise that doesn't need him, then I get annoyed.

Poor Touma gets so much fan dumb / hate dumb, even here...

Wasn't Nanoha Force made by the same person or something that made all the rest?

Yes, and your point?

Also, just to be fair, I don't think that ViViD is all that and a bag of chips either.

You are going way off topic...This is abot cristal tokyio not nanoha.

Please use the nanoha thread to discuss Nanoha.

However disregarding a male character just for being male isn't very mature. Good Characters are good regardless of gender.

edited 23rd Jul '11 5:49:43 AM by FallenLegend

True, sorry for the derailment.

Anyway, I think the darkening of Crysal Tokyo is partly an extension of how fanfic writers like putting a series on the opposite end of the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism. At least that's how I remembered it in The '90s, where every other Sailor Moon fic I seem to come across was a Dark Fic while every other Evengelion fic I saw was a gag fic or WAFF. You must admit, inversing the general mood and atmosphere of something while keeping the setting intact is pretty fun, especially if it's pulled off successfully.

edited 23rd Jul '11 6:49:31 AM by Servbot

No worries

Indeed it is. That's why Darker and Edgier got so popular in the nineties.I would love a peak at Crystal Tokyo however. That would be very interesting.

@Fallen Legend: And Usagi is her Author Avatar, so that makes it even bigger wish fulfillment... :P

There's a lot of things to say about Crystal Tokyo that might be bad but it's the one thing I always wish there was more official art or fanart of.