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Agreed. I'm baffled they haven't done so already.

Redigitize was for the 3DS too!?

And it's not out over here!?

;_____;

It is and it's not, yeah.

Is eater another one of those "not a Digimon"? If it is I hope it's not digital in origin because I never got the point of introducing digital monsters that somehow are not digital monsters, except maybe ABC, Eniac and the D-reaper, because they're based on real life developments. I could see why someone would decide not to call them monsters.

I don't see the point of giving it a human form either, 90% of the monsters are human shaped or have the option of taking on human shapes already. If eater is merely it's name though, I could get behind that. Giving monsters names besides A Dog Named "Dog" again has been a long time coming.

Well, there's also the villain of Redigitize, who goes through a number of forms (of which the final is human-like if I recall).

And then there's Neo from Digimon Next.

While the most notable example likely comes from the D-Reaper, the franchise isn't unfamiliar with final bosses who aren't Digimon.

Vitium actually has evolution levels, so maybe it is a Digimon just without a -mon name.

Fair enough.

I think the final Villain of Digimon World 2 was also a non-digimon but I'll have to double check that.

Looking back, Tamers is the only Digimon Anime to go with a Villain who wasn't a Digimon.

No wait, there's also Yggdrasil. He's a digital entity (and even the creator) but not a Digimon, so I guess he counts as well.

edited 13th Mar '15 10:04:58 PM by HandsomeRob

World 2 indeed has a non-Digimon. However, they did combine multiple Digimon for some of the major bosses in that game. Chaos Piedmon, Chaos Wargreymon(who looks just like Blackwargreymon, probably even inspiring his design), and Chaos Seadramon all could combine. There was also Chaos Lord, who eventually was turned into a real but similar Digimon with Chaosdramon.

In many cases, a lot of the simple "recolors" become their own Digimon. I kind of like that they did that, even if it seems like a lazy way to make a new one. But when Psychemon has a really similar line to Gabumon(the only difference is that Quartzmon is beyond different from Metal Garurumon, while Astamon is at least a humanoid wolf Monster, albeit a gunman instead of a martial artist like Were Garurumon is, they still are bipedal and feral-like. Psychemon does go into Gururumon too, who can go into Astamon. Although Psychemon in-series warp digivolves into instead Astamon, Gururumon is a pretty blatant and good Champion choice), it makes you wonder how many similar lines they could do. Likewise, I wish Astamon could go into Z'd Garurumon(no official dub name exists to my knowledge. Some argue it'd be called Zeed Garurumon, though), which has a huge gun on its back, making it feel like a reasonable Mega for him. Considering Astamon is outright a gun-wielding wolfman, well... it seems like it fits well. Even better than Were Garurumon does going into Metal Garurumon. If only due to the theme.

It should go without saying any of the "Dark" or "Black" ones are quite usually a full mirrored line. Although they can slightly change the name up. Chaos Gallantmon instead of Black Guilmon(etc). Some are a bit more standalone, like Darktyrannomon doesn't have a similar Rookie. In fact, Tyrannomon doesn't have a specific one like some do. Despite a lot of various Tyrannomon family members, there really isn't any somewhat "specific" line for them. The closest they've show is Dark > Metal > Rust(or Machinedramon) at best, with no specific Rookie given. At least there is Shadowtoyagumon who could work for that line, and they're all Virus too, showing some relations to their overall line. That, and Dragons/Dinosaurs.

edited 14th Mar '15 12:07:26 AM by Irene

Vitium wasn't a digimon, he was a bit closer to the concept of the D-Reaper, with the difference that it was built to be an outright weapon of destruction by GIGO, and began taking in everything it could to improve itself. Apparently the final form is even based on Dr. Petrof's wife, but don't take my word for it.

Also Cyber sleuth seems to be doing well.

The villains of World 4 were weird robot things that I don't think were Digimon.

I just have no idea why they decided to ignore established lines for Hunters and make people think those were the "official" ones.

Psychenmon is a recolor, Astamon is Belphemon/Phascomon's Perfect, Dracumon has a complete line, incluiding X-Antibody, to Gran Dracumon, and Yasyamon is an Armor.

But well, I have that whole problem with the whole of Xross Wars, but those two are the ones that I'm least comfortable with.

Seriously, taking the leader of the holy beasts and turning it into a mook...

I still like Xros Wars(the first two parts mind you), but I see where you're coming from.

Considering it apparently had low ratings, and that it was just reusing the combination concept, I can see why they went back to regular evolution with Adventure. They'd already taken it as far as it could go I think.

Plus, the Adventure game likely inspired them to actually complete the evolution lines of the other chosen on screen, which is something they could done in 02 instead of bringing in the new group.

I really hope they do it. Seeing Phoenixmon, Hercules-Kabuterimon, Vikemon, Seraphimon, and either Holydramon or Ofanimon (that's how it's spelled now right?) on screen would be great.

Salmon's Ultimate/Mega is harder to figure out, since they used Rosemon for Lalamon's final form, and there recently created Banchoulilimon, which makes me think they are gonna give us (and Mimi) a hilarious surprise.

edited 14th Mar '15 8:09:22 AM by HandsomeRob

No. It's Ophanimon. And the reuse of Agumon shows that they don't mind giving characters the same partner Digimon so Palmon could still become Rosemon in the end.

That misses the point. D-Reaper is a computer program that happens to have been deleting unnecessary data for a long time and got fixed on Digimon. Fair enough.

NEO is the combination of symbols stored in illegal digital monsters...whose explicit function relates to the future of the digital world. There is nothing about NEO that suggests it's not a digital monster. If things like Deathmon (an entirely human creation that doesn't even follow the level system), Scumon(fecal data), Machindramon (a bunch of mechanical parts taken from other monsters), Burbmon (a plague brought about by obesity), Apocalymon (the angry thoughts of monsters who failed to evolve), Calumon (the light of evolution), Trailmon (trains someone built complete with tracks and a station), Quartzmon (an anomaly in space time caused by two really strong monsters fighting) and all other manner of things that don't follow the egg-evolve-die process can be digital monsters, what exactly is not? We've seen parts of digital monsters turn humans into digital monsters! We've seen a cyborg devil angel undead bug dinosaur horse wolf dragon spread by way of spore, at which point, the only logical conclusion was that every single immobile plant and fungus of the digital world was in fact part of some digital monster's life cycle.

Any creature of digital origin is, logically, a digital monster. That much is evident by the inherently broad term "digital monster" but also by precedent of everything already introduced that were, in fact, digimon. If Eater is a digimon, great. If eater is not of digital origin, fine, but the trend of digital monsters that are "not digimon" is silly.

It was Holydramon in the Digimon Adventure 02 movie and the last game that starred Ryo though.

But it has been Ophanimon ever since she was introduced (Battle Spirit 1.5 and the PSP game). And she was specifically introduced to be Seraphimon's Distaff Counterpart...

I'd rather have Ophanimon, I like her better than Holydramon, and back to back angels looks fine than angel and dragon (but, then again, that is my personal and subjective opinion, and I have quite◊ rigid◊ ideas◊ on evolution lines for certain characters...)

So, I'd like to get War Greymon, Metal Garurumon, Hououmon, Herakle Kabuterimon, Rosemon, Vikemon, Seraphimon and Ophanimon duking it all out. With potential support by Imperialdramon, Gran Kuwagamon, Valkyrimon and Slash Angemon (least solid candidate, but still, 2 Vikemon partners in the same canon is awkward, and there was some push to have it as the main evolution of Sakkoumon).

(I really like Paildramon and Dinobeemon side to side as well, for some reason)...

Meh, I am talking out of my ass, in a month we'll see what happens.

Ophanimon should be a giant flaming wheel creature covered in eyes; we've got more than enough "Basically hot female humans" mons anyway.

Wait, is Imperialdramon Fighter Mode a jogress between Dragon Mode and GranKuwagamon?

edited 14th Mar '15 12:25:40 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Argh, used the wishful headcanon rather than the more likely one.

...

Still, would work quite well as a parallel to Omegamon, in my opinion. Also, there has to be some diferentiation between the Imperialdramon forms, because that was played quite badly in 02.

How was it done badly?

x6

I was correcting the spelling. Though I do think Gatomon's final form should be Ophanimon.

edited 14th Mar '15 1:32:07 PM by Chariot

Digimon world 2's final boss was a rogue supercomputer. Iirc dw3 final boss was not a digimon either.

Digimon world three's final boss was a digimon. That's exactly my point. If Galactimon, a corruption of physical, real world technology, in the human analog world, can be a digimon, what exactly makes all these other things "not" digimon?

I guess I get GAIA, a computer who made war on the digital world after the discovery of digimon for some reason, but even then I don't get guardians. They're digital creatures, they have digimon attributes, they give birth to digimon, yet somehow are not digimon, digital monsters?

World 1's final boss was Analogman, a human who believed Digimon were better off as slaves. Apparently he returned in Digital Card Battle, of all places.

Analog man fought using a machinedramon though. In that sense he's not much different from the protagonist.