DEATH BATTLE

Quite possibly the most effective arm candy in all of geekdom?

Sauron vs Ganon?

(insert often repeated rant about lack of measurable feats in LOTR here)

Even going off what he's said to be capable of in The Silmarillion and shown doing in the films and video-games? We know he's not invulnerable, for starters, and can be injured by relatively mundane weapons.

edited 30th Mar '17 12:44:49 AM by Arawn999

So how would Saitama vs Kenshiro go?

Considering what Saitama's shtick is...

I think that was a DBX.

Actually, I don't think it's that hard to provide a match for Saitama. Boros actually could have killed him. It's shown in their fight that Saitama still needs to breathe while he's on the moon. If Boros had kicked him into space and the moon wasn't there, it's possible Saitama would have died from suffocation.

So we just need someone who could have kicked him into space.

Nope. The only reason it seemed that was that Saitama merely thought he needed to breath in space because he still sees himself as human despite his strength.

It took him at least a few seconds to realize this, and before he holds his breath, he's perfectly fine.

Hmm, then a good question is does he need to eat? Does he need anything? Because he can't fly. And if he's kicked into space without crashing into an orbital body, all he's gonna do is helplessly drift forever... until he dies from something, if he can.

I'd been wondering if it'd be possible for Saitama to, like, change direction with a hard punch but without inertia, it's basically a futile gesture. I'm actually not sure how one changes direction in space at all. I know it has to be possible. Actual spacecraft have to change directions in zero gravity from time to time. But i have no idea how the physics of turning or changing momentum in space work.

He's not gonna change direction without inertia. Nada. Nope. What's in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by outside force, as the deadliest sonofabitch in space once said. And unless he crashes into something, he ain't gonna find that outside force in space. Actual spacecraft, IIRC, uses astrocorrection engines to change direction.

What if he took his clothes off, then punched his clothes?

Could that work?

Outer space is not totally empty, there are extremely tiny amount of stuffs floating there. Add cartoon physics and he will be flying around by punching the opposite direction he wants to go.

The problem isn't the weapons, it's who is holding them. The humans of Tolkein's works are pretty clearly superhuman by comparison to modern people, but by how much we do not know. And of course that's the post struck down by god Sauron, who has lost most of his powers.

In the earlier parts of The Silmarillion he's much more powerful...but also faces far more powerful foes. And since Tolkein doesn't provide the details of, say, Sauron vs Huan, beyond that it lasted a long time, we have no ability to scale Sauron's strength at that point in the story.

Tolkein's writing style does not lend itself to easy feat scaling. The films are better about this, obviously, but since none of the major villains save the Witch-King of Angmar and Shelob actually fight onscreen, that doesn't help us in a discussion about Sauron (and of course in the case of the Witch-King, while he might have some measurable feats, he also has a No Limits Fallacy waiting to happen in the form of his "no man can kill me" rule).

Knowing Saitama, he'd find a way to punch his way back to earth even if there was nothing to punch.

He' probably just punch the Vacuum of Space to give him something to push off of.

He'd need to know he could do it though, but if it was funny enough, he'd find a way.

Assuming one defines a sword that several millenia old forged by a legendary dwarven smith whose creations are all legendary, including a knife that was able to cut into the original dark Lord Morgoth's cheek (Though it snapped cutting a 2nd silmaril from his crown) as "relatively mundane"

More importantly LOTR functions on mythical writing. Battles are not described in concrete terms, and feats are described in vague, larger than life terms. Think Greek mythology.

As for using the games and movies, they are adaptation, and straight up contradict canon in several places (The Eye of Sauron isn't a physical thing hovering above Barad-dur. It's a symbol, and representation. Sauron isn't a literal immobile flaming eye). We're never given a idea of what a Maiar or Valar's magical powers are, other than they exist. A lot of the info that we do get is also contradictory or ill defined (They are immortal, destroying their body only allows them to reincarnate again somewhere else, though there are limits - when Sauron died during the fall of Numenor he lost the ability to assume a pleasant form). We're never given details on if that process is immediate or not. We're further told that Sauron can't be killed so long as the one Ring exists, but Saruman's spirit lives on when he's killed (It's banished from returning by the Valar). Is the ring necessary for Sauron to reincarnate? The Silmarillion implies he's ahd that ability before he made the ring. So what does the ring do for Sauron? Fuck if we know.

edited 30th Mar '17 9:51:12 AM by Ghilz

Right, but what are the astrocorrection engines pushing off of in order to change direction and momentum without inertia?

They push against themselves and the craft. ie: the force of the thrust is applied to the craft and the particles of expanding gas from the engine's combustion.

The implication, I think, is supposed to be that he had those powers but lost them when he was smote down by god after Numenor. So he is now using the Ring, which he had previously put a lot of his power into, as a battery.

Also, going by The Lord of the Rings, he doesn't need the Ring on his person to reincarnate. So long as it exists, he will be able to eventually retake physical form, but having it returned to him would likely expedite his resurrection. Destroying it destroys his physical form due to him having put so much of his power into it.

edited 30th Mar '17 1:32:00 PM by Arawn999

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Saitama eventually gained the ability to punch reality itself, a la Superboy Prime or Gurenn Lagaan.

Ganon is right out anyway, since Death Battle stick hard to the "only the master sword can kill Ganon" No Limits Fallacy.

How about Sauron Vs. Skeletor? Have it start as Skeletors minions fighting off against the armies of orcs, uruk-hai, men from the east, Nazgul and trolls, the have Skeletor and Sauron have to take to the field directly to finish it.

Once again, Sauron is right out. We do not have the feats with which to measure him by. We can calculate next to nothing about him. In fact we can calculate next to nothing about the majority of LOTR villains because most of them simply don't do enough that's both onscreen and quantifiable.

edited 30th Mar '17 6:15:59 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

They could probably make some calculations for his physical body and powers based on the prelude from The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug (which showed his physical body as the pupil of the "Eye", something that later adaptations have copied), and Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor, where he's fought as the final boss.