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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Indiana Solo
ditto, on top of being unable to vote. 
Didn't Biden vote for all those wars on Afghanistan and Iraq that he claimed to not vote for?
I'm still cautiously rolling the dice in favor of Obama.
In other news, there was an uptick in Obama's polling on 538 today. Slight, but it's there.
Wandering Jew
Cheney "Disturbed" by Biden's Debate Performance
Dick Cheney said he found Vice President Joe Biden’s behavior at the debate Thursday night “very disturbing,” adding that it was “the most emotionally unstable debate performance in modern American politics,
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I'll go check his voting record.
EDIT: According to Wikipedia:
- Biden had voted against authorization for the Gulf War in 1991.
- Biden was a strong supporter of the 2001 war in Afghanistan, saying "Whatever it takes, we should do it.
- Biden stated in 2002 that Saddam Hussein was a threat to national security, and that there was no option but to eliminate that threat.
- The Bush administration rejected an effort Biden undertook with Senator Richard Lugar to pass a resolution authorizing military action only after the exhaustion of diplomatic efforts.
- In October 2002, Biden voted in favor of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq, justifying the Iraq War.
- By late 2006, Biden's stance had shifted on Iraq, and he opposed the troop surge of 2007.
edited 13th Oct '12 2:07:23 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Dick Cheney commenting on instability?
Yeah, now I've seen everything.
scratching at .8, just hopin'
I'm not taking that from a guy who told Vermont senator Patrick Leahy to go fuck himself on the Senate floor back in 2004.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Indiana Solo
well he was opposed to it being anything but last resort, that's something.
I'm baaaaaaack
Wandering Jew
Romney Calls Treasury Report Delay Another Missed Opportunity by Obama to Face Up to China
Going the route of xenophobia now...sigh.
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edited 13th Oct '12 2:28:11 PM by GlennMagusHarvey
Anti-Gnosis Weapon
The topics for Monday's debates have been announced.
Similar to the first debate between Obama and Romney, the debate will be broken into six 10-minute segments.
Two of those segments will focus on the first topic, "The Changing Middle East and the New Face of Terrorism," the CPD statement said.
The other regional topics are "Our longest war – Afghanistan and Pakistan," "Red Lines – Israel and Iran," and "The Rise of China and Tomorrow’s World."
"America’s role in the world" is the fifth topic. The CPD said the topics may be raised in any order.
This debate is designed to focus on foreign policy, and will be held October 22 in Boca Raton, Florida.
Considering that this will be about foreign policy, I'm leaning toward the idea that Obama will make a fool out of Romney. Romney and Ryan have been trying to distinguish themselves from Obama/Biden on foreign policy by heaps of criticism, but as Biden pointed out just the other day, there are no substantive differences between their position and the administrations on almost everything, except that perhaps the Republicans want to be more aggressive... somehow. We don't know, since they refuse to provide any details.
I'd also bet that Romney will try to derail one of the lines of questioning into "serious questions" about what the administration knew and when it knew it with regard to the attack in Libya, wasting a lot of everyone's time and attention when we could be devoting it to more important issues. I wonder if Mali will come up?
edited 13th Oct '12 3:40:39 PM by darksidevoid
GM of AGOG S4: Frontiers RP; Sub-GM of TABA, SOTR, & UUA RPs
You mean Mali?
That's actually Monday the 22nd.
Anti-Gnosis Weapon
Fgsgsasdf. Yes. Sorry, I've been misspelling it all day. And yes, it is in fact on Monday, my apologies.
edited 13th Oct '12 2:48:42 PM by darksidevoid
GM of AGOG S4: Frontiers RP; Sub-GM of TABA, SOTR, & UUA RPs
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
Also, please stop spelling it Lybia, it's Libya. A recurring problem in this forum, it seems...
Obama, if hes sensible, will draw attention to the many recent gaffes Romney has made with his visits to other countries. Britain feels our relationship with the US has improved because Obama treats us as a friend whereas Bush treated us like a pet.
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ten bucks says even if Obama does, republican commentators will spin it as something like "Obama kisses the ass of foreign powers"
Anti-Gnosis Weapon
Oh, I'm sure he will... if he gets a chance. Rather, he will if Mitt gives him enough space to do so. One of the major problems last time was that Romney jumped from one topic to another like a rabbit on speed, which left the slower Obama unable to respond to all but a few of the distortions. Unfortunately, Jim Lehrer wasn't very effective in curtailing it, though Mitt's tactics would have gotten most anyone else thrown out of a serious debate.
Doubtless. Or they'll just ignore it entirely and focus on something else, like Obama sounding too much like a professor and the like.
edited 13th Oct '12 4:04:48 PM by darksidevoid
GM of AGOG S4: Frontiers RP; Sub-GM of TABA, SOTR, & UUA RPs
Yes. professors. terrifying monsters that will brainwash your child into serving our new communist overlords.
The Groose Is Loose
I gotta ask, has the VP debate affected the polls at all?
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
It's interesting that you have that perception, because on looking at the debate transcript pretty much all the topic shifts were initiated either by Obama or Lehrer, with Romney spending more time requesting that the subject not be changed until he had time to respond than jumping to something new.
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We probably won't know for a few more days. The Romney bounce didn't happen until a while after that debate.
edited 13th Oct '12 4:22:51 PM by Kostya
its similarly interesting that people perceive biden as rude and conceited when I didnt see that at all and say Ryan as far more of a weaselly asshole, so I wager at least partially how the debates went depends on which team you rooted for to begin with.
edited 13th Oct '12 4:24:27 PM by Midgetsnowman
The Groose Is Loose
Oh, alright. I was just wondering, since I saw NH turn into a tossup state on Huffington post's election map thing. But it's been really going back and forth. Plus, I don't really have a lot of faith in polls to begin with.
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
Wandering Jew
Considering what happened last time America got a professor as the president, The Right might have a point about evils of a professor president.
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016@Midget: Yeah, as far as personality and style goes it's always going to be a matter of individual preference. I just thought it strange that Romney apparently came across as switching subjects when he seems to have spent most of the debate trying to stop the subject from being switched.
edited 13th Oct '12 4:27:22 PM by EdwardsGrizzly
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It does look pretty ugly. Unfortunately I'm in a blue state, and thus sidelined from effecting the outcome.
I'm a skeptical squirrel