Examples need to be culled, or description needs to be expanded: The Ruins I Caused

Deadlock Clock: 14th Jun 2012 11:59:00 PM
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26 SeptimusHeap26th Jul 2012 10:43:35 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Flipped my vote accordingly.
Not sure why who caused the ruins is important. I added Destruction Survey
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty

This is a trope for a character surveying the destruction that they caused. If someone surveys destruction in general, it is not this trope.
29 shimaspawn28th Jul 2012 10:30:15 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
But what is the difference in tropes? What does it matter?
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
The significance here is that the character sees his own handiwork, inspiring guilt or triumph. Seeing someone else's work has a very different effect.

If we were to broaden this trope, we could lump it with characters gazing on fallen foes' bodies or news clippings describing their deeds.
Visually they're the same trope, most of the time. Outside of context, the scene tends to look and feel (and sound) the same no matter who the character is. On the other hand, the emotional connotations of the scene are pretty different. So...*shrug*

edited 28th Jul '12 3:11:46 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
32 shimaspawn28th Jul 2012 06:32:13 PM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
The emotional connotations aren't normally that different. It's the same bit of guilt, joy, sadness, or triumph. It doesn't matter if the character caused it or just failed to prevent it. There's no difference in the tropes.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
How does someone feel guilt or triumph at seeing ruins they didn't cause?
34 shimaspawn29th Jul 2012 07:56:11 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
They feel guilt because they couldn't stop it. Because they failed. Because they let those that they loved down. They can feel triumph because there's now nothing left of those that opposed them. Even if they didn't cause their downfall, they can still cackle at it.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Oh, so it's still their ruins, so to speak? If they didn't cause it, they still could have prevented it but didn't? If they didn't destroy it, they sure wanted to? Sure, that's the same thing.
36 Ironeye11th Nov 2012 04:22:31 PM from SoCal , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
The Hero looking at the ruins of something he cares about is covered under Watching Troy Burn.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
37 Pig_catapult26th Nov 2012 04:12:22 PM , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Bumping for votes.
Because underscores break everything: Working link to my Troper page
What about Survey The Destruction?

edited 27th Nov '12 9:29:01 AM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
39 Noaqiyeum28th Nov 2012 09:38:17 AM from the October Country , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
I have to agree with Troacctid that there's a pretty clear difference in tone and emotional substance between when the observer has some measure of responsibility for causing the ruins and when it does not. The one is this trope, the other is only Scenery Gorn.

Shima - triumph and guilt are still reserved for people who were supposed to prevent it or had foreknowledge and concern in the matter of whether the ruins were... ruined. Other possible reactions may include awe, bafflement, horror, grief, envy, apathy, and tourism.

edited 28th Nov '12 9:39:30 AM by Noaqiyeum

Anyone who looks dangerous is dangerous.

Anyone who doesn't look dangerous is dangerous and sneaky.
It looks like this crowner has a consensus for a new name and one new redirect. Should I holler for it to be called?
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
41 blackcat7th Dec 2012 08:31:43 PM , Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Calling the crowner as requested.
We never go any where without our swords and boas.
Culled the examples I knew were wrong or couldn't tell. Changed the laconic so it won't be confused with related tropes. Will soon give a small chainsaw to the description.

Can anyone look into Watching Troy Burn and pick examples that may actually fit here?

edited 15th Dec '12 1:43:34 AM by lu127

Chainsawed a paragraph off the description. Any help? I can't tell if the examples in the discussion page are correct.
44 SeptimusHeap20th Dec 2012 05:43:05 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
While I can't help with the description, I might be able to rename this. Objections?
I think you can go ahead and do the rename.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
46 SeptimusHeap26th Dec 2012 01:55:51 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
The page is moved. The wicks will have to be taken by someone at a better place than where I am now.
Wicks will have to wait until the description is finalized.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
The description is ready.
49 SeptimusHeap2nd Jan 2013 11:43:53 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Ok, did the rename, except for that newsletter wick as it seems to be an archive rather than a proper page.
There's still example cleaning.

Alternative Titles: Above The Ruins
11th Jun '12 6:29:29 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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