The only comic I liked from him was Kick-Ass. Not really. I enjoyed the movie based on it..so..I'm pretty much in the wrong thread. Yeah. I don't what to say at this point. I'm not really a fan of his stuff. Only the movie I mentioned.
edited 20th Aug '11 10:41:28 PM by dracosketch
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See, this is why I'm convinced that Mark Millar has been replaced with a Skrull.
https://www.facebook.com/emileunmedicatedanduncut
I forgot, did Millar write that issue of Civil War where Sally Floyd told Captain America that he was out of touch with America since he didn't watch NASCAR or American Idol, or use a social network site?
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Nope, it was Paul Jenkins.
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That issue filled me with so much rage that anyone thought any of those things were necessary to be "mainstream america"
I always thought that was not the point of that speech, it sounds more among the lines that "Americans are retards who doesn't care about what Captain America stands for anymore but shit like NASCAR and Youtube". At last that how large portion of fandom in my country, me included, sees it. We allso like Sally Floyd for that reason.
Civil War Crisis Crossover: Sally Floyd. According to Word of God, she was not intended as a Strawman Political and was supposed to be taken seriously. While she was telling Captain America, the moral centre of the Marvel universe, that he was obsolete because he focused on things like liberty and justice, instead of My Space and NASCAR. (Fortunately, some of the other authors at Marvel have realised that being expected to agree with this kind of idiocy rubbed people the wrong way, and she's been mocked by a variety of other titles.)
Now how could her arguments possibly be expected to be taken seriously? 
Her arguments made her into The Scrappy. Well, I liked reading about how one superhero saves Sally from a mugging and then says something like "You're Sally Floyd, right? If I had known it was you, I wouldn't have bothered to rescue you!" I also liked reading that one story where she tried to mess with Henry Peter Gyrich, and he retaliated by subjecting her to a financial audit. That's right, lady! Don't mess with the Obstructive Bureaucrat! Evil Laugh! 
Of course, Mark Millar has (I'm sorry to say) engaged in Strawman Political stuff. Take Captain America and the quote "Surrender??!! You think this letter on my head stands for France?" It is one thing to invoke a stereotype about a country. It is another thing to have a character who lived long before said stereotype came into being actually invoke it. 
edited 21st Aug '11 2:58:17 PM by TiggersAreGreat
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"Now how could her arguments possibly be expected to be taken seriously?"
As I said above, as the criticsm of Americans.
"Her arguments made her into The Scrappy."
Except in Poland, where we like her.
" Well, I liked reading about how one superhero saves Sally from a mugging and then says something like "You're Sally Floyd, right? If I had known it was you, I wouldn't have bothered to rescue you!""
She then laughed at him and told him he is an idiot. She was very drunk. And it was Moon Knight. And then she flip a bird to Daredevil.
"I also liked reading that one story where she tried to mess with Henry Peter Gyrich, and he retaliated by subjecting her to a financial audit. That's right, lady! Don't mess with the Obstructive Bureaucrat! Evil Laugh! "
On the other hand, when Stark forced Gyrich to give up his position in initiative, Sally make him (Gyrich) look like an idiot at press conference by pointing out he cannot retire to take care of his family, because doesn't have family.
Why don't you post your views here
? You could really balance out the viewpoint on Sally N.A.Y. (NASCAR and You Tube) Floyd.
Speaking of balancing out the viewpoint, I dare you to not check this
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Really, if she is so great, then why would she pat Iron Man on the back for committing (or intending to commit) war crimes against Namor and his kingdom of Atlantis, instead of doing her job and reporting it?
Mark Millar is also the guy who claimed that Tony "Der Eisenfuhrer" Stark was totally right. Yes, he is totally right to act like a fascist, betray everyone, and commit buckets of atrocities. I feel sad.
By the way, I like You Tube and all that, but that is a worldwide application. If you could equate You Tube to the American Way, then why not equate it to every country's way worldwide?
edited 22nd Aug '11 3:01:56 PM by TiggersAreGreat
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I almost felt like puking after reading through the Trope page for The Unfunnies.
It's worse actually reading it in person. GOD! How do people like he & Garth Ennis still find work!?
Sneering Imperialist
Because they can both be very talented writers? Superman: Red Son and Battlefields respectively prove that, to me. Millar may have gone the way of Frank Miller but I think Ennis is currently going from strength to strength.
edited 23rd Aug '11 2:46:56 AM by pagad
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.
"* Do you still hang out with your former protégé Mark Millar at all?
- No.
- Is that an estranged situation?
- It's a can of worms. I met Mark when he was 18, and I really got on with him, because he laughed at all my jokes. He has the same sense of humor as me, he's very dark, and has that sense of humor, so we bonded. I used to phone him every day, and we ended up doing some work together on 2000 AD, which went well. It was funny stuff, we'd meet in the pub and get drunk and do this Big Dave strip, which was a comedy strip, and obviously, he was trying to get into American comics, so I got him on in Swamp Thing, and they asked me to write the book but I said, "Let's get Mark in, let's give him a job," so I consulted with him on the stories, and so on through the Nineties.
- When he got the Authority book, his star started to rise, and at that point, he felt he was in my shadow and he had to get out, and the way to get out was to do this fairly uncool split. It was quite hard, I felt, but he had to make his own way, and he was in denial that I'd been there, because I saw a lot of his work had been plotted or devised, even dialogue suggestions were done by me right up until the point of The Ultimates. It was seen by him as a dimunition of his position, even though it wasn't, I was quite proud of him as a mentor. He's done well without me, he has his own style, he does his own stuff. It was kind of that archetype, you get caught up in that story.
- It's a can of worms. I met Mark when he was 18, and I really got on with him, because he laughed at all my jokes. He has the same sense of humor as me, he's very dark, and has that sense of humor, so we bonded. I used to phone him every day, and we ended up doing some work together on 2000 AD, which went well. It was funny stuff, we'd meet in the pub and get drunk and do this Big Dave strip, which was a comedy strip, and obviously, he was trying to get into American comics, so I got him on in Swamp Thing, and they asked me to write the book but I said, "Let's get Mark in, let's give him a job," so I consulted with him on the stories, and so on through the Nineties.
- You came out and acknowledged this, but that was after the estrangement?
- Yeah. Before that, everyone in the business knew that I was working with him, it was obvious, I was 10 years older, I was already successful. His star rose, and that history became sidelined.
- He still lives in Glasgow, is there a chance of bumping into him?
- There's a very good chance of running into him, and I hope I'm going 100 miles an hour when it happens."
edited 23rd Aug '11 5:00:46 AM by PrimoVictoria
Grant Morrison, you're awesome.
He said himself he doesn't do any messages and hidden meanings, but is more than happy for people to find them. He was very happy when he found out a blog describing how a lot of his characters have problems with their parents and Fantastic Four is the only not disfunctional family he ever wrote.
edited 24th Aug '11 7:34:48 AM by PrimoVictoria
You deconstruct something to find out why and how it works. It's rather pointless if it's not then followed by some kind or reconstruction. Analysis without synthesis generally just leaves you with a lot of bloody entrails lying around...
Or you deconstruct so others may reconstruct it.
Well, the stories by Mark Millar show a pattern. He likes to take apart concepts and comment on the parts making them up. However, he has never made a story that actually invokes Reconstruction on the very stories he wrote. For example, the story Wanted, which is a Deconstruction of super-villains to Watchmen levels. A Reconstruction story of Wanted (like a sequel, for instance) could have a member of the super-villain group Fraternity get sick of being a super-villain, pull a Heel–Face Turn, start up a superhero group, and do things like expose Fraternity's existence to the public, and so on.
Alan Moore did say that "Now that we have taken everything apart, shouldn't we be trying to put it all back together again?" He is so right! 
edited 28th Aug '11 7:57:01 AM by TiggersAreGreat
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Isn't that what's the movie is doing?
And I would like to disagree that everything in superhero genre was taken apart, Irredeemable illustrates this very well.
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Kick-Ass ended up reconstructing superheroism. After all the shit Dave and Mandy go through, they ultimately bring down a Mafia group, and it's shown that Dave has managed to do something special and meaningful with his life.
Nitz the Bloody
Deconstruction only works if, at the end of taking apart the characters and tropes, you come to a point and go somewhere from there. Kick-Ass' deconstruction of I Just Want To Be Badass, at least in the first series, didn't really go further than showing that superhero identities would only be taken on by insecure sexually frustrated people with few problems beyond upper-middle class ennui. And in the plot, all this means is that Dave puts on tights, gets the crap beaten out of him, defeats criminals he never would have encountered had he not put on a costume, and goes back to his daily high school life having learned nothing and grown in no way, shape, or form.
Contrast this with the plot of Metal Gear Solid 2, which had another blonde wannabe hero learning that life isn't a comic book (or in this case, video game), but did so because he was a puppet in a larger plot to undermine free will itself, and eventually managed to shape his own identity with the help of his idol. A much more complex treatment, and even with its bisexual dancing vampires, more believable than Kick-Ass' alleged realism.
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It's interesting how one writer from DC Comics name Joe Kelly wrote this one story titled What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, And The American Way? You can read about it on Wikipedia. The whole story was apparently a huge Take That! to Mark Millar's The Authority.
Still, it is pretty interesting having Superman give a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown to a Captain Ersatz of The Authority called The Elite, without even having to kill them. Clearly DC disagrees with Mark Millar's work, even if it is popular.
edited 4th Sep '11 10:49:46 AM by TiggersAreGreat
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You could argue that they are Decontrustion stories. That's not the issue. The issue is that regardless of whether they deconstruct anything, they still suck and read like they were written by a young teenage troll-fic enthusiast.
Sometimes life just sucks. You have to learn to take the good with the bad. Why should you expect anything different in the mediums?