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X-Men Wishlist:

 1 warrior 93, Thu, 9th Jun '11 6:26:37 PM from North Carolina
warrior93
I use to read X-Men alot but have mostly stopped since M-Day and over the years I noticed alot of things and I'm assuming everbody reading this is already somewhat familar with the X-Men mythos. Well I'm not going rehash old storylinebut there are somethings that I wished were different and I'll list some examples.

1. I wished they went somewhere with the whole struggle for mutant rights and the mutant plight thing but it never got anywhere. Cause at the end of the day a person could beat a innocent mutant and instead of going to jail would be called a hero. As noted in other tvtropes articles.

2. I wished that Xavier school was actually a secret school to hide mutants from the cruel I know in later years they did do something similar to this. However it wasn't the same cause it was out in the public and it quickly fizzled out.

3. I wished Magneto's Brotherhood was an actually terrorist movement that many mutants rally behind.

4. I wish M-Day never happened or those stupid mutant cure storylines.

5. I wished they didn't keep recyling some old plots over and over again then again this could be directed at comics in general.

6. I wished they didn't focus so much on the time-traveling and aliens storylines.

7. I wish they actually chronolize the struggle for mutant right.

8. I wish they used Genosha as a paradise for mutants to go to like in the shortlived tv show instead of nuking it.

9. I wished the other superheroes helped with mutant rights.

10. I wished they focused on how the mutant powers changed the world at large. Cause for a planet that used to have millions of mutants running around nothing really seemed to changed and then again this can de directed at comics in general.

11. I wish they focused on how the various nations treated mutants.

12. I wish they gave a good reason for senentiels. running around the way the do.

13. I wish they gave my stories about the average humans and mutant that were'nt with Xavier or Magneto or they had a small role with them if they did.

14. I wish the morlocks were still around.

15. I wish they did more with mutant town like go into it's history and make it a mini Genosha.

16. I wish the mutant registration act was enforced like it was during civil war instead of being a lost plot thread going nowhere.

17. I wish they do stories about Franklin Richards being the only accepted mutant in a society that hates and fears his kind.

18. I finally wish that the big bad global mutant-human war did happened and it would've been awesome. I also would've like to see two alternate futures of the war one where humans and another where Magneto and the mutants win. Cause the closest things we have are the Age of Apocalypse, Days of the Future Past, and House of M.

So this is my little wishlist for x-men

It shouldn't be a crime to be young
 2 Vampire Buddha, Fri, 10th Jun '11 7:05:16 AM from Right behind you Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Disclaimer: My knowledge of X-Men is 95% to do with the 90s cartoon.

chronolize

I'm not familiar with that word. What does it mean?

I wish they used Genosha as a paradise for mutants to go to like in the shortlived tv show instead of nuking it.

When you say "the short-lived TV show", are you talking about the 90s cartoon? Because I watched that as a kid, and I remember Genosha constitutionally made mutants into second-class citizens.

For me, the whole "mutants as oppressed minority" never really rang true. With the odd exception like Beast and Nightcrawler, Marvel's mutants look exactly like normal humans but can do things norms cannot, like shoot lasers from their eyes, control the weather, or control anything made of metal. That's not how oppressed minorities work; in the real world, minorities can't do anything that white heterosexuals cannot, but they wither look different (blacks) or think different (queers).
I need a drink
[up]In the comics Genosha was soon liberated by Magneto after the UN gave it to him and I think it became something of a mutant Utopia before it was blown off the map. My X-Men knowledge is kinda hazy at best though. The X-Men have worn their welcome on me.

[up][up]Pretty much everything I want with the X-Men. Maybe it's just me but I always envisioned the X-Men as a civil rights group rather than a paramilitary one. I actually did alot of what you said a few years back when I did an Alternative Universe fanfic.

Theres sex and death and human grime in monochrome for one thin dime and at least the trains all run on time but they dont go anywhere.
Thermonuclear Warrior
For me, the whole "mutants as oppressed minority" never really rang true. With the odd exception like Beast and Nightcrawler, Marvel's mutants look exactly like normal humans but can do things norms cannot, like shoot lasers from their eyes, control the weather, or control anything made of metal. That's not how oppressed minorities work; in the real world, minorities can't do anything that white heterosexuals cannot, but they wither look different (blacks) or think different (queers).

This. Another thing I never understood is how the general public is supposed to differentiate between characters like Cyclops, Emma Frost, Wolverine, etc., and other "meta-humans" like Spider-Man, Mr. Fantastic, Ms. Marvel, and Luke Cage. And why aren't Thing and She-Hulk given the same treatment as Beast and Nightcrawler? They should just scrap the whole "mutant rights" crap, and have them focus on fighting evil mutants and other threats. Either that or remove the X-Men from the Marvel Universe.

edited 10th Jun '11 7:30:49 AM by brc2000

 5 warrior 93, Fri, 10th Jun '11 9:44:40 AM from North Carolina
warrior93
@Atom Jones

Could you post a link for me?

@Vampire Bhudda

I was talking about logan and the x-men and the word means to create a timeline i just missplled it.

@ Brc 2000

I meant to add that aswell and many tropes articles have acknowledge that and is on the headscratchers page.

edited 10th Jun '11 9:46:42 AM by warrior93

It shouldn't be a crime to be young
For me, the whole "mutants as oppressed minority" never really rang true. With the odd exception like Beast and Nightcrawler, Marvel's mutants look exactly like normal humans but can do things norms cannot, like shoot lasers from their eyes, control the weather, or control anything made of metal. That's not how oppressed minorities work; in the real world, minorities can't do anything that white heterosexuals cannot, but they wither look different (blacks) or think different (queers).

The general idea is that you have the majority of the population, rather than trying to live with or adapt to a vastly different demographic, instead just wants it gone. I've said this before in various topics, but attempting to destroy mutants (and other superpowered entities) is the worst thing you can do because it's impossible to truly oppress them. Gays? African-Americans? They don't have any actual power aside from the power that's given—if you possess a monopoly of force and oppress them, what are they going to do about it? But mutants are a minority that can fight back and will always be able to fight back, without any power given to them voluntarily by their oppressors.

This. Another thing I never understood is how the general public is supposed to differentiate between characters like Cyclops, Emma Frost, Wolverine, etc., and other "meta-humans" like Spider-Man, Mr. Fantastic, Ms. Marvel, and Luke Cage. And why aren't Thing and She-Hulk given the same treatment as Beast and Nightcrawler? They should just scrap the whole "mutant rights" crap, and have them focus on fighting evil mutants and other threats. Either that or remove the X-Men from the Marvel Universe.

Marvel doesn't use that term. "Meta-human" is DC's term for any abnormal being, regardless of origin. Aliens (like Superman), magical beings (like Wonder Woman), guys in powered armor (like Steel) and any other abnormal creature is a "meta-human".

Marvel uses the terms "mutant" and "mutate". A mutant is a person that carries the X gene and is born with their abilities. A mutate is a human who was altered to be given superpowers. The basic idea is that mutates are tolerable because anybody could theoretically become one. The right combination of phlebotinum and super-serum could turn suzy-homemaker into a flying brick badass. A mutant, on the other hand, is a subspecies of humanity that will, one day, replace us. In addition to that, anyone—at any time—could be one but you won't know until puberty. Your sister could be one, your aunt could be one, your kids could be going to school with one, or hell, your kids themselves could be mutants.

Thermonuclear Warrior
[up] The terminology doesn't matter. The general idea is understood.

That's not what I was asking. I already know why mutants are seen as different from other superhumans. What I want to know is why the general public are so sure about who qualifies as a mutant or not (why are they so sure that Human Torch isn't a "filthy mutie"), and why mutants can't just go under the guise of "mutates". For the second thing you could argue that they want to make a stand for mutantkind or whatever, but that doesn't explain why the less valiant ones do, and it makes it pretty difficult to sympathize with the more heroic ones.

edited 10th Jun '11 12:36:27 PM by brc2000

 8 Deboss, Fri, 10th Jun '11 12:38:20 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Which perpetuates a downward spiral of demand.

Have I mentioned my hate of Evolutionary Levels?
Thermonuclear Warrior
I wished they didn't focus so much on the time-traveling and aliens storylines.

I pretty much skip any storylines focusing on the Brood now. Sick to death of them.

 10 warrior 93, Fri, 10th Jun '11 2:17:18 PM from North Carolina
warrior93
The mutant-human war would've been awesome during the 90's instead of crapfest they had.

Also whatever happened to the mutant registration act?
It shouldn't be a crime to be young
Civil War happened and set that storyline back a few decades.

I wish Jean would come bacck then she and Scott had some talk and decided their marriage wasn't working anyway, so instead of getting back together, Scott will stay with Emma and Jean will find somebody else.

I wish they would realize they have 4 X-Men titles and dozens of X-Men so no, 3 of those series don't have to be about Scott, Emma and Logan.

I wish they would use more plot points related to characters' relationships.
 
There's no possible way to end the Scott/Jean/Emma situation without pissing someone off.

Personally, I find Scott/Emma to be the more interesting pair, but I'm aware of how unfair the coupling is to Scott/Jean fans. Also, I happen to like Scott/Jean, even if not as much as the former.

But now, there's nothing Marvel can do to fix this without causing more problems, outside of OT 3.

But, knowing them, what they'll probably do is bring Jean back to life and put Emma on a bus.

I know that at one point they will bring Jean back, because it's obvioust. And I know they will bring her and Scott back together, because of nostalgia. But if fans were waiting for it too long, I think they could wait little more. Coming back to life after so long isn't a piece of cake and Scott has done many questionable things since her death - when Jean and Scott will meet again, they will be two different people. It makes sense for them to try to adjust to the new situation. It would be stupid for them to get into each other's arms, they both need a time to deal with all this mess. It's a good drama and has a great potential, which is why I fear Marvel won't go that way.
 
 15 Zolnier, Sat, 11th Jun '11 7:22:03 AM from A suspiciously dull shop
The Odd Lad
The thing about M-Day (aside from knocking of characters I enjoyed) is that it put a stop to the "mutant subculture" theme, which made them seen more like a real minoirty.
Life's Gonna Suck When You Grow Up... But Is It That Great Now?...

Also I'm Skylark2 now.
 16 Dragon Quest Z, Sat, 11th Jun '11 7:51:32 AM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
"because of nostalgia"

No, because many fans find this other paring ridiculous, on par with Zuko and Katara.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
 17 warrior 93, Sat, 11th Jun '11 10:59:27 AM from North Carolina
warrior93
I really don't like scott summers all that much and that's why I hated M-day so much and I'm kind of mad it took them this long to finally make the mutant subcultre.
It shouldn't be a crime to be young
 18 Vampire Buddha, Sat, 11th Jun '11 4:43:54 PM from Right behind you Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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@King Zeal: How do you feel about Emma/Jean?evil grin
 19 Dragon Quest Z, Sat, 11th Jun '11 7:12:31 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
[up]I know you didn't direct that at me, so I'm just answering for me, not zeal. It might have been hit eight years ago, but now it would just be yet further Character Derailment.

edited 11th Jun '11 7:12:41 PM by DragonQuestZ

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
""because of nostalgia"

No, because many fans find this other paring ridiculous, on par with Zuko and Katara. "

Which they do because of nostalgia.
 
 21 Dragon Quest Z, Sat, 11th Jun '11 8:21:56 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
That's not how nostalgia works. One of your biggest fallacies is to assume simplistic motives of others, instead of trying to understand them.

No, I'm not pretending to understand, because I know motives and views can be varied and complex.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
"One of your biggest fallacies is to assume simplistic motives of others, instead of trying to understand them. "

You did the same, assuming fans think Scott/Emma is as stupid as Zutara - what evidence you have for that argument?
 
False question, since it assumes Zutara is stupid to begin with. But it's not them so much as the ones who try to justify it.

There's nothing wrong with preferring a coupling; there is something wrong with wearing Shipping Goggles at all times.

 24 Dragon Quest Z, Sun, 12th Jun '11 12:04:12 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
"You did the same, assuming fans think Scott/Emma is as stupid as Zutara - what evidence you have for that argument?"

I meant the pairing itself.

"There's nothing wrong with preferring a coupling; there is something wrong with wearing Shipping Goggles at all times."

Yeah, those annoy me, as I see loads of contradictory evidence for these arguments.

And my problem with this pairing is it doesn't make sense except the writers make it last (and they've even leaked that they couldn't being Jean back before because of Joe "We don't have to explain it" Quesada). Trying to blatantly seduce a guy you've been hired to help, and then claiming you're in love with the guy, is either an ass pull or really piss poor justification for her motives. Not to mention Morrison admitted he had to use a direct Ass Pull to make the Phoenix not bring Jean back immediately, and contrive this Bad Future that could be solved by changing how Scott felt, but not just going back in time herself.

And the way Emma acts isn't really a character (as in how she is now, not up to the end of Generation X). She's a pastiche of characterizations, especially in the way that supposedly makes the more established X-Women irrelevant (so they could make her the most prominent women on the teams), by having their positive traits welded to her.

Incidentally, I'm not ignoring anything with Scott and Jean that wasn't perfect. Pryor really should have been handled better (perhaps merging the idea that Phoenix wasn't actually Jean, but Pryor is Jean).
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
"I meant the pairing itself. "

Then it's only yours personal opinion, you cannot say that many people see this pairing to be that stupid as pairing you're assuming is stupid, many of people who hate Scott/Emma may actually like Zutara.

"And my problem with this pairing is it doesn't make sense except the writers make it last"

Because that's what writers do. Most of things you can find in comics don't make sense until writer maes them.

"rying to blatantly seduce a guy you've been hired to help, and then claiming you're in love with the guy, is either an ass pull or really piss poor justification for her motives."

Why? If she has fallen in love, it's only fitting for her personality that she would try to seduce him instead of openly confessing like 15 years old schoolgril. She is grown up woman and you demand from her to act like teenager. And even if she first tried to seduce him and then fallen in love - well, things like that happens too, you can heard about people who fallen for what they would belive was supposed to be one-night stand or short adventure. It tells somethign about her character and adds inner depths to her.

"And the way Emma acts isn't really a character (as in how she is now, not up to the end of Generation X)."

Ah, immortal argument that Emma has been derailed from how she was in Generation X. Well, from tiny bits of informations I gathered, in Generation X she was probably even worse and fans idolize her to have an excuse for bitching about her current potrayal.

"She's a pastiche of characterizations, especially in the way that supposedly makes the more established X-Women irrelevant (so they could make her the most prominent women on the teams), by having their positive traits welded to her. "

Okay, bring me some examples or I'm callign a BS on that one. Who is doing that? Joss Whedon? No way, he make one of the more complex interpretations of her and developed her on several levels and make Scott/Emma actually acteptable. Matt Fraction? Impossible, his Emma is Flat Character without any traits aside calling people "darling". Mike Carey? Nope, he rarerly writes Emma and when he does, she tends to be The Stoic, something that doesn't seems to be out of character. Warren Ellis? His Emma is qiute negative in favor of Storm. Kieron Gillen? Again, stoic persona and really out of focus, he's more concerned about Kitty. Craig Kyle and Christopher Yost? Their Emma in New X-Men is concerned only about good of her students to the point of being ruthless and doing questionable things to ensure their safety. When written by Yost alone she is more carrying but still tend to put safety of her students above everything else, even her relationship with Scott. Ed Brubaker? I don't see him spotlighting her too much, she has promiment role only in one his story and he didn't really do too much with her characterization, focusing mostly on what things draws her to Scott. Daniel Way? Victor Glisher? I stay away from any awful shit they pull out, so I have no idea what they are doing. But even if they do what you accuse writers of, then there is no reason to make it overshadow all the others, considering they are newest additions to X-Men writing team and I don't see any other important X-Men writer writing Emma the way you claim. You're now like those Avengers fans who continue to whine how Jessica Jones is The Wesley when she has been Demoted to Extra long ago and serves only as device to make other characters look better (c'mon, give me one plot point related to her that she doesn't share with Luke and isn't used to make others look more interesting).

And before you acuse me of wearing Shipping Googles - I'm recently in my Cyclops/Frenzy (Cyzy?) phase and that's copule I'm sqeeing to right now.

"Incidentally, I'm not ignoring anything with Scott and Jean that wasn't perfect."

And I'm reminiding I still haven't seen it being used for anything else than making Scott looks worse in comparision to Logan.
 
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