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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#26: Nov 6th 2012 at 11:38:53 AM

So, how's it going with the Trivia markings on the pages? Is it progressing in development well?

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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#27: Nov 22nd 2012 at 12:58:46 AM

  • bumping again* Is this progressing well?

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#28: Dec 15th 2012 at 12:51:29 PM

Bumping again, because I am really getting sick of seeing non-ymmv tropes on ymmv pages.

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#29: Dec 21st 2012 at 5:55:24 PM

Agreed. I see YMMV on main page, and non-YMMV on YMMV all the time. Also, I'm seeing Trivia on the main page way, way, WAY too much. Come on, let's do something already!

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#30: Dec 21st 2012 at 11:08:13 PM

There is one issue I see arising from marking objective tropes on the YMMV pages for removal: reference tropes in entries with multiple bullet points. Right now I'm thinking about Alternative Character Interpretation, which is likely to have multiple bullet points with reference tropes in them.

Assuming that the marks would work like the YMMV marks do now, reference tropes wouldn't be flagged if they were on the same line as a YMMV item, but would be if there were no YMMV items preceding them on the line. Possibly make it so that they would only be flagged if they were on a one bullet line?

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#31: Dec 28th 2012 at 4:10:28 PM

While we're at it: the Creator Page Guidelines specifically say that trivia is allowed on creator pages (since it often applies to the creator rather than the work), so we probably shouldn't flag trivia there.

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#32: Feb 4th 2013 at 4:04:19 PM

Maybe the problem is the title of this thread. Maybe we should change it or start a new thread.

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#34: Apr 28th 2013 at 2:49:59 PM

I disagree that non-YMMV tropes should not be allowed on the YMMV page, because any trope can be subjective and sometimes it would be better to move the trope entry to the YMMV subpage than add YMMV onto the entry in the main page. The problem is when an entry that is not subjective at all gets put into the YMMV subpage.

Flame Bait should get an icon on the YMMV subpage as well.

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#35: Apr 28th 2013 at 2:53:48 PM

"any trope can be subjective"

Then it either a) needs an YMMV banner or b) needs to be purged of the subjective examples.

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MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#36: May 7th 2013 at 12:24:04 AM

From What Goes Where on the Wiki:

In theory, Your Mileage May Vary on nearly all tropes. Who says that a Happy Ending is happy, for example? In practice, what we mean by a significant judgment call is exactly the duck test outlined above- an item falls under YMMV if people often disagree about it. Either we can figure this out from the definition, or a huge natter infestation wherever the item is mentioned clues us in. Either way, it gets stamped with the "subjective" stamp and relegated to YMMV subpages, where the varying of mileage and resulting natter will not get in the way of the objective tropes.

How I interpret this section to mean is that an objective trope can have a subjective entry and it's better to move the trope to the YMMV subpage instead of the main page, where it would attract natter. This happens enough on Mind Screw works. Whole tropes where this would happen enough are automatically YMMV.

edited 7th May '13 12:25:27 AM by MikuruFan

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#37: May 7th 2013 at 1:08:06 AM

The section you are talking about is about items, not examples.

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#38: May 7th 2013 at 1:29:00 AM

Does "item" mean an example on a trope page or an example on a work page? I think you mean the latter, but if something triggers a natter infestation on a work page, then it's probably either YMMV and should be moved to the tab according to WGWOTW, or a shipping war (upon which mileages also vary) and should be deleted.

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#39: May 7th 2013 at 2:03:33 AM

The "not examples" should have been a clue that item isn't example. It means "trope, including Trivia and YMMV. I'll be clearer next time.

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#40: Sep 1st 2013 at 1:05:25 PM

Incredibly Lame Pun is a deliberate Pothole Magnet that should not be listed on a trope list. Perhaps pages can be assigned to give a bullet to remove the item from the trope list entirely. this could work with a few other pages as well.

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#41: Feb 17th 2016 at 4:23:49 AM

Bumping...Trivia has obviously been taken care of, but we never got the notification for Flame Bait entries, did we?

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#42: Feb 17th 2016 at 7:57:44 AM

Not as far as I know.

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#43: Feb 27th 2016 at 12:28:27 PM

Brings me to another question: Why don't we just have Flame Bait with the YMMV, or even better, its own page where the arguments can be isolated? I personally don't see the need to just remove Flame Bait totally. Were things THAT bad?

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#44: Feb 27th 2016 at 1:13:36 PM

We don't want Flame Bait on any pages (except, perhaps, Darth Wiki). That's the whole point of marking it as such. We've decided that such tropes should not have any examples at all, because they are too polarizing. And yes, they were that bad.

edited 27th Feb '16 1:13:57 PM by Fighteer

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#46: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:31:40 PM

[up]x2 Periphery Hatedom still has an example list.

edited 27th Feb '16 6:32:15 PM by Karxrida

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#47: Feb 28th 2016 at 7:25:30 AM

[up] And a lot of that is plain garbage, too. Hmm. Sounds like a cleanup may be needed. Or just an Example Sectionectomy. Let me ask.

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#48: Feb 28th 2016 at 7:32:54 AM

Being on the Flame Bait index does not disallow examples on the article itself, just wicks to it. An Example Sectionectomy is what cuts the whole shebang.

edited 28th Feb '16 7:33:27 AM by Fighteer

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#49: Nov 6th 2016 at 9:38:55 AM

Closing this omnibus task; if any part has not been implemented yet or is buggy, ask on Query Wishlist and Query Bugs respectively.

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