First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
I'm not even sure they should. There is a time and a place for heavy handed moderation, but I'd prefer at least a few of the major social media networks to remain fairly laize faire in their moderation policy.
They probably should, as it's why Twitter is shedding users.
Also, if you really want freeze peach on your social media, you probably are going to have to start your own. Wilful ignorance of the terms of service is not a defense. How's Voat doing financially?
Also, you have to be pretty famous and a fairly nasty offender to get banned on Twitter. See Azealia Banks' tirade directed at Zayn Malik (I don't care for his music, but you don't have to in order to decide that that was uncalled for). If you're a small fry, the techbros in chief give no shits. Call it common carrier sociopathy, if you will. I was surprised you could actually get banned for something, regardless of political alignment, short of using the service to host graphic child pornography.
Also, shitposting does not policy make, much less a valid political movement that won't become a national embarrassment in a few years.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotI think I jumped the gun too soon. I found something interesting about the whole Milo Twitter debacle. Turns out that while Twitter can be reprehensively selective about who can say what they want, Milo may not be much better than they are. What's more, he pulled some seriously un-kosher shit (I'm not talking about his own responses to Leslie, BTW)
Assholishness is unfortunately not a zero-sum game...
Do people not realize that the reason conservative viewpoints are getting censored is because the ones spouting them are taking them to such extreme and toxicity?
But muh freeze peach! Never mind that expressing these sentiments offline outside the Deep South might result into fascist bashing becoming extremely fashionable again. Or getting everyone wearing a fedora banned from most establishments.
The Anti-Defamation League has added (((echoes))) to their list of hate symbols.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotWhy fedoras?
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Because memes dictate that it's the headwear of choice for these types. They mean trilbies.
Well I owned both types of hats in the past.
I think I might buy a Bowler this time.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.I think buying a fedora is still safe - just don't wear it inside like these knobheads tend to do.
edited 27th Jul '16 7:41:46 AM by DrunkenNordmann
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen."Fedoras" (twas already mentioned that actually trilbies) are worn by Classy men who are Smart and Rational and Calm and Dignified and Logical and Enlightened.
Should be easy to connect the dots.
edited 27th Jul '16 7:43:01 AM by Superdark33
Basically if you're wearing it without a suit or similar then something is funky. I wear an actual fedora I got in Rome, but I wear it with long sleeve button up shirts and a longcoat.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranHonestly what makes them even worthy of being called "alt"? They spout the same racist/sexist shit as the... orthodox neocons (They're stealing our money and country while raping our women, who should haven equal rights because then they won't sleep with ME.) Just because they make memes?
That, imageboards/Reddit use (with barely disguised perusal of child porn) and self-identifying at any opportunity. Neocons and paleocons are at least capable of using a dog whistle every now and then instead of having every sentence be "kill the _______ people".
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotMy impression is the alt right doesn't use religion as an excuse for their bigotry. They lean more atheist or are not interested in religion beyond demonizing Islam. And if anything, they're even more sexist and entitled to have sex with any women (and girls) they please. It's rightwing on steroids. You could say they're just more honest.
In my experience, they tend to consider themselves socially liberal despite all the evidence. As in, they think that society has already achieved equality and that anyone who pushes for more is anti-men, anti-white, or anti-whatever. They're also in favor of legalizing drugs and trend towards being anti-religion.
They see themselves as being "free thinkers" whose rational thinking is unbound by political correctness, but they're also completely blind towards structural or economic inequalities. This might be a bit unfair, but the negative perception of them is that they think: "my life is great, so everyone complaining should just shut up."
edited 27th Jul '16 10:14:39 AM by Clarste
Well, there are significant fractures in the extreme right.
The alt-right is sort of split into fascists and "classical liberals", and there's some influence from the manosphere in terms of "staying clean" i.e. eating healthy, not doing drugs. I'd say homophobia is pretty pervasive, though. And yeah, there's a religious split of Christians and atheists.
Neo-reactionaries are monarchists, and they share many of the same assumptions of the alt-right, but like to intellectually masturbate a bunch – instead of racist memes or whatever, they write huge screeds with lots of historical trivia about how awesome monarchies were. There's splits here as well, with fundamentalist Christians in the same group as transhumanists.
Then there's the "human biodiversity" people, who provide fodder for a lot of the wanking about race that goes on among the far-right. Their thesis is similar to Charles Murray's in The Bell Curve – intelligence is extremely heritable and unchangeable, different races have different average IQs (surprise! whites and East Asians come at the top) there needs to be strict eugenics controls in place before the smart people are outbred by the stupid.
edited 27th Jul '16 10:25:46 AM by majoraoftime
My favorite part of the neo-reactionaries is that they tend to use the historical trivia to make up their online monikers,
Like You can make your own NRX(neo-reaction) name too! Follow these simple steps:
- Pick a medieval saint or ortherwise a medieval historical or fantastical figure(white and male recommended)
- Pick a middle initial
- Pick a traditionally WASP-like surname, if it's the last name of a previous media or political figure the better.
Let's see....
Saint Ignatius, J is just the I of Ignatius again, I know, O'Reilly. but without the O, because clever.
Ignatius J. Reilly...Oh, wait
Is that the same if the country they're from actually has a Monarchy?
Keep Rolling OnYes. By "monarchy" they mean absolute monarchy – democracy is bad because the people vote against their own best interest (usually this has to do with restraining capitalism). Which is a pretty standard and old argument against democracy, they're not exactly breaking new ground there.
anyone on twitter with a classical name/avatar has a good chance of being reactionary. gotta preserve that flower of Europa.
edited 27th Jul '16 10:58:47 AM by majoraoftime
Neo-reactionary are usually from Sillicon Valley, though.
Oh yeah. Peter Thiel is fairly close to being a neoreactionary – he already hangs out with white supremacists and hates democracy/women being able to vote.
I was thinking of Michale Anissimov and Mencius Moldbug.
Presumably they're aiming for a benevolent tyranny, like one of those philosopher-kings from Plato.
I'd say it's more that they need to want to deal with sock puppetry, they could deal with it, they simply choose not to.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran