Seconded. Got Volunteered is intuitive. This to me has the connotation "person who Got Volunteered for undesirable work loves it," as in the Trope Namer commercial for Life cereal, and that is distracting.
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I see the Awesomeness.
Title? What Title?
This is like the third time this issue's been raised. How many bites of the apple are permissable until someone declares the issue permanently closed?
Being in a Japanese-produced work is not enough of a difference to warrant its own trope.
Zzzzzzzzzz
I disagree. While they use the same situation, they're coming at it from opposite directions: Lets Get Mikey is focused on the people who volunteer someone else; Got Volunteered is focused on the person who Got Volunteered.
edited 24th May '11 8:19:19 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Evil Pundit
Well, if one were to look at it this way, Lets Get Mikey (in is core) seems to refer to a situation, where the "volunteer" actually enjoys the ordeal. And could perhaps be subverted by the volunteer pretending to enjoy it, only to Tom Sawyer his volunterors (it's a brave new word!) into relieving him of the duty.
But, for that, Lets Get Mikey would have to be seriously reworded. Possibly sister-troping Got Volunteered.
edited 25th May '11 2:42:09 AM by SinusPi
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Just so everyone knows the history:
Got Volunteered was lost in the great crash. I recreated it in YKTTW and launched it. Then someone else created Lets Get Mikey without going through YKTTW and duplicated Got Volunteered. There was a big discussion here, and the creator of Lets Get Mikey narrowed it down into a subtrope of Got Volunteered. As far as I know that was the last time it was addressed here.
That might be why it's a little rough and confused about what it's about. I think it still has a few lines that seem to claim that Got Volunteered is a narrower trope then it actually is.
Personally I don't care either way if it's kept as a subtrope or merged with Got Volunteered.
If it is kept then the description could probably use some rewriting to tighten the definition and make more clear the difference with Got Volunteered.
edited 25th May '11 5:25:06 AM by Sackett
Lost in Space
I agree with clarifying them at the very least. I was having trouble distinguishing between them for the Portal 2 example and settled on Lets Get Mikey, but I don't see a reason why Got Volunteered has to be so specific.
edited 25th May '11 6:42:02 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Got Volunteered isn't specific.
Why do you think it's specific?
Lost in Space
Let me rephrase: Lets Get Mikey is presented as a subtrope of Got Volunteered, but is there really enough material there to justify it?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Evil Pundit
You're asking if there is enough material in Lets Get Mikey to justify it being a (sub)trope, or if there is enough material in Got Volunteered for it to have subtropes?
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Lost in Space
How about, how many examples are there in Lets Get Mikey that would not also fit in Got Volunteered or are already in there?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Evil Pundit
I can't find any, since Got Volunteered is worded widely enough to properly cover whatever variant Lets Get Mikey was supposed to try to cover.
Hence my merge suggestion.
Lets Get Mikey would only work if the person volunteered actually ended up ENJOYING the task, as the Trope Namer Mikey did with the cereal. And perhaps Tom Sawyering others into relieving him of the (actually) horrible ordeal.
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Lost in Space
Well, I support a merge back under those terms. I guess the question remains, is it a proper Sub-Trope or is it just The Same But More Specific?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Cure Candy
IMO willingness should be the way these two should be different.
- Lets Get Mikey they need someone so they ask him he says ok (maybe after a little convincing) does whatever.
- Got Volunteered would be no choice in the matter someone else signed him up or via a little blackmail) and now he has to do it. Or someone asks for a volunteer and all point at the guy or force him to speak up. Maybe the cause of a Gilligan Cut.
edited 26th May '11 10:19:29 AM by Raso
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Evil Pundit
Currently it's not a subtrope, not even more specific. Like I'm saying above, though, it HAS the potential of being formed into a subtrope: "the volunteer is happy to help (or at least claims so)".
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Another vote for merge.
Gentleman Troper!
Yet another vote for merge. The two aren't different enough to require separate pages.
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
Another vote for merge.
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Zzzzzzzzzz
Re-reading both pages, I withdraw my previous objection to a merge. There may be two tropes, but the current conditions of the pages don't differentiate between them.
Merge under Got Volunteered.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Very Manly Muppet
'Nother vote for a merge.
Actually a girl.
World's Toughest Milkman
+1 for a merge
edited 14th Sep '11 1:18:25 PM by Xtifr
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Lucidly Unsane
Looking at the page for the first time today, I couldn't help but think that the discussion was about renaming the trope to something more appropriate. Turns out there was already a perfectly good trope with a better name out there.
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Doctor Where
Here's +1 for merge under the name Got Volunteered. Edit: format
edited 19th Sep '11 3:19:25 PM by Chimaera
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World's Toughest Milkman
With Madrugada switching to support for a merge, this is very nearly unanimous at this point. Should we call it, or add a crowner?
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Crown Description:
Lets Get Mikey: "There's a task that needs to be done. An unpleasant task. A task no one wants to do, and everyone refuses to volunteer for. So what does everyone do? They volunteer someone else to do the job, of course!" Got Volunteered: "A dirty job needs to get done. The boss is asking volunteers to step forward. No way are you going to get mixed up in a sticky situation like that. Your mama didn't raise no fool. Suddenly you are shoved forward by some of your "friends". The boss smiles. Wait- No! You just got volunteered!"
Lets Get Mikey and Got Volunteered seem to cover exactly the same case: someone gets volunteered, either by a "friendly" recommendation, or by everyone stepping back, or by any other means.
If consensus agrees, how about merging Lets Get Mikey into Got Volunteered (which has a simple, not culture-dependent name)?
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