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edited 18th Sep '16 3:14:15 AM by LegitimateIdiot

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السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ I didn't know there were this many Muslims in Tropesville. It's a pleasant surprise I have to say. Greetings from Sweden and the thank god not so terrible weather this winter (So far) xD

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SSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOO...Could someone explain to me the religious attitude towards the Bible and the Torah? I've heard something about how they're "People of the Book".

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We Muslims recognize Judaism and Christianity as fellow Abrahamic religions — Moses and Jesus are as much Allah's Prophets and Messengers (there's an important distinction between the two in Islam) as Muhammad (PBUH^note short for "Peace Be Upon Him) is. That's what "People of the Book" means; we're essentially members of the same "family", religiously speaking. And technically, if adherents of Abraham's religion were still alive, they'd count too. And so would those of any past Prophets/Messengers that are recognized in Islam, e.g. Noah. It's just that Christians and Jews are the only ones who are around today; apparently there were a scant handful of Arabians who held on to fragments of Abraham's religion, but they eventually died out by the time Islam started off.

As for what Muslims think of the Bible and Torah... well, to sum it up, we believe that the modern scriptures (by which we also include the versions that were around at the birth of Islam 1400 years ago) are corruptions of the original teachings of Moses and Jesus, with the blame being laid at the hands of anonymous clergymen who for one reason or another either changed parts of the texts or added things that were never in the original (note that the first Bible was written decades after Jesus died); the basic rule we follow is that if they contradict the Quran and Sunnah on a given topic, then it's considered an example of said corruption if it's a matter of creed (e.g. Christianity's Trinitarianism, vs. Judaism and Islam's Unitarianism), or something that was decreed to suit specific circumstances involving the people and/or the environment at the time and is superseded by Islam if it's not a creed-related matter (e.g. manner of daily prayer).

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

I'm Christian, and all I know about Islam comes from a History of Islam class I took in college (it was early college, though, so I don't remember much of it).

The thing I remember most about it is an anecdote, which may or may not come directly from the Koran (like I said—early college), where some of Muhammad's disciples asked him what would happen to Jews and Christians when the end times came. And Muhammad said something like, "When the end times come, good Jews and Christians will realize that they were really Muslims all along."

I really liked that. I was never leery of Islam the way some people are, but that class really helped me respect and appreciate it.

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Well, the only thing I remember/know that is close to that is that Islam's message is at its most fundamental level a continuation of the core message that was preached by previous true Prophets/Messengers of Allah/God, starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and many other Prophets that are mentioned in both Islamic tradition (be it in the Quran or hadiths) and the Judeo-Christian texts.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Greetings from Christian board.

Speaking of Islamic culture, from what I know, it kinda reminds me of a mix between Old Testament Israel and Arabic culture. While it acknowledged several events mentioned in the Bible, it also integrates itself with Arabic folklores, such as the mentioning of Djinn (forgive me, I'm not familiar with it). In fact, the tradition that pigs being unclean animal is actually quite similar to the laws in Torah (Although, it's more likely due to hygienic reason for Christian tradition, and the reason why we Christian no longer have this rule is due to the event of Acts.)

Aside from religion, there're quite few things fascinating about the golden age of Islamic nations, it's far from barbaric like the terrorists depicted in many news, but rather, an artistic nation way ahead of time. If you google Islamic architecture and the history of clocks, you'll be surprised by how advanced and knowledgeable the people were (yes, they were the pioneers of modern astronomy). It's a shame most people nowadays never notice that.

To me, the only thing which sets Christianity and Muslim apart is the role of Jesus, for us, he is the son of God (or technically, God himself) willing to sacrifice himself to set things right, and for you, he's an immortal prophet in a high position, at least that's what I know. But to me, ultimately, the only things matter are whether you're devout to God, whether you're good and honest, and whether you've lived without regret.

edited 2nd Mar '17 6:58:22 AM by Mhazard

Well, I must say it's really nice to talk to nice and polite Christians like you who take the time to at least get the bare minimum of adequate information about Islam (or at least, an Islam-related topic) before entering a discussion about it.

Uh, we don't think he's immortal, just that he's not dead. He will eventually die come Judgement Day, when all humans who are still alive at the time are simultaneously made dead by the sounding of the angel Israfel's horn. Which, incidentally, will happen after the Islamic version of the Second Coming, in which Jesus returns from Heaven to rally all the remaining faithful (including both Christians and Jews rather than limited to Muslims), fight and slay the False Messiah, and institute a a reign of universal peace and justice on the ruined Earth until Judgement Day comes... though Jesus himself will die after a mere 40 years (persumably his successors manage to do well after him).

Oh, and Gog and Magog's menace is brought to end by Jesus praying to Allah, who sends a type of worm to kill off those two and all the people they're leading.

Well, more like "did not do anything that you'd end up regretting after you die", but you're pretty much on the right track... with the caveat that one doesn't really have an excuse if someone brought the message of God to their doorstep and explained it properly to them.

edited 3rd Mar '17 4:07:13 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

I asked a Muslim friend about that a few months ago, because I really liked the anecdote, and he Skyped me a quote from a text that said more or less the same thing. Unfortunately, I don't remember if that came directly from the Koran either. I may dig it up sometime; it sounds like a good thing to know.

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Hello, fellow humans. I am a Hindu, but the recent gubernatorial elections in my city has left me asking this question.

If verse 51 of the Surat al-Ma'ida says that you can't elect a non-Muslim leaders, does that mean we can't give non-Muslim leaders a chance? What if both candidates in a majorly-Muslim democratic country aren't Muslim?

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The idea is that a non-Muslim, no matter how well-meaning, cannot be expected/relied upon to have the Muslims' best interests in mind as a ruler. It's natural behavior for people to be more likely favor those of their own group.

And if all of the competing candidates are non-Muslim despite the population being majority-Muslim, that speaks of huge problems with the country; either there's a dictatorial non-Muslim regime that is deliberately trying to suppress the majority (which is a bad idea with any majority group), or the Muslim majority is inexplicably so apathetic that none of them have motivation to run.

edited 7th May '17 1:46:57 AM by MarqFJA

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While I try to refrain from categorizing, I guess I qualify as a Muslim troper here. I've been lurking around the wiki and editing pages for years, but I've only just started posting on the forums, so hello hello! Nice to meet everyone!

We are all destined to make our own choices.

Asalamu alaikum. Nice to see the site's Muslim membership growing.

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Waalaikumsalaam! Thank you! Looking forward to contribute more!

We are all destined to make our own choices.

I'm not a Muslim myself and pop up a lot on the Christian, Atheist and Pagan -threads.

I have a question here: What do you guys think about progressive Islam?

Define "progressive Islam". And more importantly, is it actually as monolithic as you seem to be treating it, or is it a broad umbrella term for a large variety of schools of thought that may very well be at each other's throat over whether or not the other school is "truly progressive"?

edited 22nd Dec '17 1:45:04 PM by MarqFJA

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I didn't say anything about being or not being "monolithic" and I don't know where you got that.

"Progressive Islam" would be a progressivist (well, duh!) interpretation of Islam.

Maybe it helps to give a few links here? I'm shirking Wikipedia and the Rational Wiki didn't seem to be much help, either.

• The Houston Chronicle: Progressive Islam hopes to sway faith, nation

• Humanity In Action: Beyond Infidels and Fundamentalists: The Progressive Muslim Movement in the United States

• Patheos:
  • LGBT Muslims: We Must Stop Alienating Them

  • Seeking Common Ground: Why Progressive Muslims & Atheists Should Work Together (by atheist Kile Jones)

  • Who Are Progressive Muslims, And What Do They Believe?

Hope this'll do.

Edit: Yeah, and sorry for the slight response delay.

edited 9th Jan '18 10:38:55 AM by MerryMikael

Eid Mubarak, folks.

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Eid Mubarak.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Assalamu'alaikum! Didn't expect that there is a thread for Muslim people Greetings from Indonesia!

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Eid Mubarak everybody!!

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

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Trust you? The only person I can trust is myself.

So posting as a non-Muslim, I'm aware this could well be seen as trolling, playing a jokester or flame-baiting, which I hope is absolutely not how this comes across to anyone.

There's a book I've glimpsed on Amazon and it's about reconciling Islam and evolution. The cover itself looks pretty silly (the reason it occurred to me this post could be understood in a certain way) and I can see why it could alienate potential readers and turn them away. The content (what I glimpsed of them, anyway) seems compelling, though. The book is Islamic Theory of Evolution: The Missing Link between Darwin and the Origin of Species and the author is T. O. Shanavas. Is anyone here familiar with either? If so, what opinions do you have about the book?

Since I'm at it, the publisher, Brainbow Press, seems pro-Islam all in all, which is why I got to thinking in the first place this might be of any interest to anyone posting in this thread.

Please let me know your thoughts. And if I'm mistaken as for the appropriateness, please do tell me, including why you think anything mentioned is inappropriate. If I'm convinced, I'll edit my post without a fuss.

You should try and watch this. Sums up on my opinion about Evolution Theory despite being a muslim.

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