We Are All Pokemon Trainers Discussion

EDIT: Derp you did remember.

edited 21st Sep '14 3:51:04 PM by Umbramatic

Next weekend should be able to work for me. Even if I end up working on it, there should be plenty of time in the evenings.

So I decided to check the Discussion thread/Current Events page for the first time in about a week, having spent the last few days trying to stay off the internet, and I see that Ranger-2's already come to an end. Considering how busy I'm going to be over the next week, it's pretty clear that there's really no way I can continue to keep up with or contribute to the RP.

As such, I just wanted to announce that if you have plans involving me or my characters, consider me unable to participate. Whenever I have the time, I'll try to finish the trial in the Wrap-Up thread and write an epilogue that provides some closure, but other than that I'm out. It's been fun, but my time here's been and gone.

And thus we prove a point I've made several times during the arc. It was rushed. There was this massive panic of "we need to get everything done by this time or else it turns to shit" that made some people's plans exceedingly difficult and others' downright impossible. We shouldn't have rushed an arc with three regions to happen within just as many months.

Funny how a supposedly "rushed" arc had long periods of nothing happening.

And it's not like people can't, oh, stay in the Ranger Regions if they want to do more stuff there.

I'm thinking of leaving the main thread, too. I can't deal with this meta bs.

Bitter: I wasn't trying to make a point about the speed of the arc, actually, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't twist my words to make it sound like I was. I was simply trying to let people know what was going on with me. Please don't make this into a bigger deal than it is.

Crewe: Thanks for the suggestion, but that's not really an option for plans that involve other people, unfortunately. If other people move on and I'm unable to keep up, it's easier for me to drop out than inconvenience people by asking them to stay behind solely on my behalf.

edited 22nd Sep '14 5:05:00 AM by Herbert40k

Herbert: Sorry about that. I would have brought it up, but whenever I asked about how things were paced in the main thread compared to your pace and how to make that work out, you said I shouldn't worry about fitting with your schedule, so sorry it's ended up like this. I'd still like it if we'd be able to gradually finish via TS yet, if you decide you want to write out some other stuff after all.

edited 22nd Sep '14 5:21:18 AM by CorvusAtrox

Waaaaait, hasn't this happened before? Where, due to us being in a region relatively light in both trainer conveniences and plotting devices, things seemed rushed? This sounds a lot like most of the criticism that popped up during Kalos.

Perhaps we should go into these areas with a bit more planning in the future. I think it's safe to say that otherwise people are going to be sitting in hub areas for days on end, and that just breaks the flow something awful when all you can do is have Seinfeldian Conversation or go out and destroy an international crime cartel.

Also, the lack of "active participation" has been niggling at me a bit, and by that I mean people rather waiting for something to happen rather than making things happen and letting others join. I'm not saying it hasn't happened at all, just that it hasn't happened as much as I expected to. (Note that this is just my personal expectations coming into play.) This is part of what inspired me to start cooking up the Return of the Brilliant Thief, so that players have goals to work forward to rather than events to passively wait for.

edited 22nd Sep '14 5:41:50 AM by DuneTheWanderer

Guys

Guys

Gaiz

...have a Snickers

have some birthday chocolate, guyz.◊ you can mentally open the wrappers to get whatever you want. :P

However, I do agree that a tiny bit more planning is good to do before going in to an arc, so that's something that can be fixed. Another thing is participation, I can try and run some subplots if needed, (Lockescape is still up for this weekend, if anyone wants to join).

Please ignore the thoughts of this newbie if you wish. :P

I would like to help by coming up with plots. One of them will be D!Posted shortly, but I need to help otherwise, as well.

Newf, MHM:Saying things like that does not help. At all.

I've been feeling like leaving too, partially because I feel like everything that happened in the ranger arc was my fault, and partially because things just don't seem very fun anymore. Most of the time it's pretty much the same 8 or so people doing random stuff in the same area. Nobody wants to move, nobody wants to do anything bigger unless there's someone there to do it for them. It's getting really frustrating.

I'm tired of not being able to do anything but little sideposts that barely anyone cares about because they're not the random shenanigans they've been doing since who knows when. I get that you want to be able to do that, but all the time? I can't keep going when things are like this.

edited 22nd Sep '14 7:06:58 AM by strawberryflavored

Okay, correction to my previous statement. It was rushed without letting or making anything else fill the void. This is going to be a strange analogy, but you know how when one lets air out of a baloon, there's nothing to make it not deflate? This arc was kind of like that. It was filled with little more than dead air, and all efforts to get rid of the emptiness left it to shrink and become shorter, forcing other "important" parts (in this case, plans requiring Illusion to still be in one piece) out.

Herbert: I wasn't trying to twist your words. Your concern was an example that related to a problem I've had myself. I apologize if it seemed that way.

edited 22nd Sep '14 8:07:14 AM by BittersweetNSour

Scratch what was once in this post. I have an idea.

You see, what ticked me off the most about a lot of this metadrama is the fact that it could have been avoided had we just communicated with each other about our plans. Poor Communication Kills, after all, and in this case what it's killing are the only real friends I've ever had. As it stands, we're basically explaining things with a single D!Post and then acting surprised when people want constant hand-holding or get confused about our concepts.

So what we need to do is find a way to communicate all our plans with each other in a safe environment. I personally think it could be a chatroom - maybe a new room entirely, maybe a revamp of the rather toothless current RP chat - but it could also be a repurposed D!Thread, or a second forum thread, or anything. All it needs to do is turn this fractured bunch of disconnected individuals into a genuinely strong community who know each other and won't constantly argue about a forum game.

It may seem extreme, but given the circumstances, I think it might be the only viable option.

edited 22nd Sep '14 10:53:09 AM by Uilleam

"Hearing damaged individuals" is a bit harsh. But you may have a point.

I already follow two forums and a wiki site to try to keep up with this game. Following a constantly updating chatroom too (that keeps disconnecting me every few minutes) seems a bit excessive.

Morgi: Hey, you wouldn't have to get involved with the whatever-it-is if you didn't want to. It would be for the people who think it could help them.

Keys also mentioned in chat that Orre went a lot smoother than Kalos or Ranger-2 because there was more discussion about things for Orre. Of course. I joined right at the tail end of Kalos. So me talking about anything before that is little more than hearsay

Whatever the method. Better communication and planning (without turning everything into pre-scripted events or hand-holding, of course) would probably help a lot. I just tried to jump into things this arc, and apparently that hasn't helped any.
I'm not sure what to say about how to actually communicate better, besides maybe we can use this thread for more active discussion/planning of upcoming events than we have been? Sorry, I'm still new to role playing and creative writing period. So I don't have much experience to draw from...

On the plus side: if we're waiting for ORAS to be released before starting Hoenn-2, that means we have time to plan ahead!

edited 22nd Sep '14 12:44:30 PM by BlitzTrain

Okay, so I'm not sure how long this connection will last, so I'm gonna make this quick: We have the tail-end of a hurricane blowing through my town, and it's knocked out everything. My cell service, my home internet, and my TV. Quite a fine howdoyoudo, after being out of town for a weekend.

Expect me to be off the grid until further notice, unfortunately.

Oh dear. ._.

Get it back soon, I hope~ :3

You know... I had plans...

Before I felt like the rug was swept out from under me.

Oh well.

I'm really not quite sure why I'm still here, to be honest.

We weren't trying to do that...sorry...

edited 23rd Sep '14 3:44:20 AM by ILoveDogs

Huh, okay, as it turns out, when you have several businesses in town that can't use their card readers because the internet is down, the internet gets fixed very, very quickly.

That's good, I guess...but is everyone OK? In general?

Okay, Before our PCs get too spread out, I need to know when I should plan to do the Mammor thing. So I can do setup (and so TS stuff can be held to a minimum). A weekend works best for me.

edited 23rd Sep '14 9:20:53 AM by keys2tkingdom