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Krika Since: Dec, 2010
#1926: May 4th 2016 at 7:12:03 PM

Well, I think that the way it works in canon isn't that you're destroying your own soul, but filling it up with Grief, whereas here it'd be a very literal "If you do a piece of magic that requires 10% of your soul, you now have 90% of your soul left". The scraps of souls from the creatures of Despair would be used to fix this by breaking them down into raw soul energy, and then pushing that against your soul so that it'd absorb it and regenerate - the soul knows what it wants to be, it just needs the material. Magical girls run off of Hope and positive emotions, so by burning your soul you're burning away them as well - if a soul is entirely burnt away, then there's nothing left but Despair, and so it can only try and fix itself with that - and thus a Magical Girl becomes a Witch. Or something close to that, anyway - I haven't really tried to make these kinds of mechanics make sense beyond general themes.

But yeah, I'm honestly surprised by how well the two series mash up - almost too well, if that makes sense.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#1927: May 4th 2016 at 7:15:02 PM

The thing is though, that.

In Dark Souls, when someone's soul burns out, they become a hollow, and. Usually Hollows kinda suck? They're pretty weak.

When Magical Girls become Witches. Like. We're talking boss fights here.

So in a sense, the dynamics are a little different.

Life and times in Homura's world.

Kyoko coming out to her dad.

edited 4th May '16 7:20:08 PM by unnoun

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#1928: May 4th 2016 at 11:25:31 PM

Fun fact: Every one of those characters is a canon one from Madoka, if you can guess which are which (most should be pretty obvious, I think).
Let's see, I'm assuming you're counting spinoffs or there'd be a lot of repeats here.
The three legendary knights of Mitakihara - a trio of magical girls (known as the Labyrinthwalker, the Lightbringer, and the Faithfilled), who lived in the city from even before the God's power came to rest there, and whose fall heralded the city's.
Mami, Kyouko, and Sayaka, though I'm not sure which is which.
A magical girl, so obsessed with staying human and far from despair that she scalps wisps of human souls from the creatures of Despair and other magical girls, fusing them to her soul gem in the quest to never lose her humanity.
...Yeah, I got nothing.
A Witch with the mind of the Magical Girl she used to be, trapped between the two states and unable to lose herself to Despair, or return to what she once was yet able to understand both Hope and Despair in a way that no other can.
Bebe.
A magical girl, so delusional that even as she turns into a Witch, her Barrier is an idyllic memory of Mitakihara as it was before it fell, with her as its protector.
Homura. There was a whole movie about it.
A pair of magical girls, who delved too deep and discovered where the God's power rests, and who now seek to preserve the status quo, killing anyone who might come close to finding it as well.
Oriko and your near-namesake.
A young man, who looks after a house-turned-shrine where Despair seems unable to enter or find a foothold.
Tatsuya.
A small white creature, constantly trying to find the best way to leverage the situation so that it can save the world.
Junko. Yes, that is definitely going to be my answer.
A ragged girl in a ripped-up-dress, ignored by the creatures of Despair and babbling about salvation for all.
Madoka.
A soft and kind girl with an earnest desire to find happiness and the killing instinct of a soldier.
Okay, this one could be half the fucking cast. That's, that's every meguca who hasn't broken in some fashion or another. That's what you've described. A meguca who isn't dead or witched or gone all hard and cold.
Homura is. Well. Homura.
Indeed. It's a very Homura approach to the issue. Save scum like hell and be very poor at social interaction.

edited 4th May '16 11:26:14 PM by rikalous

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#1929: May 5th 2016 at 2:28:59 AM

I think one of the knights is Joan of Arc.

Krika Since: Dec, 2010
#1930: May 5th 2016 at 12:05:07 PM

[up]I know shit-all about Tart Magica, so I none of the characters are from there.

[up][up]Yeah, there's some spin-off characters in there. In order:

  • Yep - Sayaka, Mami, and Kyouko in that order.
  • The Soujo sisters from Kazumi Magica, combined into a single character. Their Soul Gem collecting is reinterpreted here as collecting souls.
  • No, but that's maybe a better fit than who I was thinking of (Kazumi).
  • This one's a bit cheating, since it's Candeloro, so kinda Mami.
  • Indeed.
  • Yeeep.
  • Completely and totally 100%! Damn, how did you see through the cunning layer of disguising?
  • Yes, but no. It's actually Kriemhild Gretchen, stripped of power and trying to regain it.
  • Maybe mentioning her odd useage of firearms would have been better. It's Homura. Or a Homura that fucked up trying to hit Homucifer, anyway.

Ultimately, the main character would be a pawn being influenced by the three main people trying to gain the God's power - Kyubey, Kriemhild Gretchen, and Homura (absolutely none of whom will use it in a "good" way). Oriko and Kirika are there as well, if only trying to stop everyone else.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#1931: May 5th 2016 at 1:02:14 PM

Any ideas for covenants and other sidequests?

Frankly I'd take Gretchen and Homura over Kyubey any day. At least they give a damn about something on a personal level.

edited 5th May '16 1:07:06 PM by unnoun

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#1933: May 5th 2016 at 1:07:42 PM

Was thinking more Solaire and Lucatiel, really.

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#1934: May 5th 2016 at 1:42:33 PM

Well, we need to have DLC that reveals that a chunk of the lore about Sayaka the Labyrinthwalker is actually stuff the PC did but attributed to her because the PC was pulled from the future.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#1935: May 5th 2016 at 1:46:33 PM

And then in the second sequel she'll have a bunch of cosplayers.

Krika Since: Dec, 2010
#1936: May 5th 2016 at 2:01:28 PM

[up][up]Heh.

In terms of covenants....not sure. Definitely one aligned with Oriko (Pv P). If you don't break Mami's fantasy, there'd be one associated with that, similar to the Princess' Guard, maybe (PvE). One following Soujo's footsteps, trying to become more human (this could be either PvE or Pv P, really)? Kyubey could have one, but really every magical girl is, for better or for worse, part of his "covenant". Tatsuya would have one as well (PvE).

edited 5th May '16 2:01:39 PM by Krika

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#1937: May 5th 2016 at 8:52:11 PM

...just in case it was unclear, I brought up Anju and Kafei in the context of your question for sidequest ideas.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#1938: May 5th 2016 at 8:52:54 PM

What about Co-Op?

The biggest question is who's going to be Solaire.

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#1940: May 6th 2016 at 3:45:27 PM

Almost certainly Tatsuya would be the closest to Solaire in terms of being the most unambiguously good and friendly person in the story.

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#1942: May 15th 2016 at 5:05:27 PM

Shattered Skies Chapter 16 is now up!

It's a knock-down, drag-out brawl between the remaining Sailor Senshi, Joker, the Time Reaper, and a few special surprise guests...

And NEXT chapter, at long last... it's time for the attack on Madoka's world to begin. :D

RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#1943: May 16th 2016 at 12:23:38 AM

...Okay, I think, somewhere, somehow, this Joker was given access to another Joker skillset, because, frankly, this guys is like the result of Garth Ennis, Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Mohiro Kitoh and Gen Urobuchi basically trying to outdo each other in summer scary story competition.

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#1944: May 16th 2016 at 6:24:02 AM

[up] I'm taking that as a compliment, so thank you. XD Smile Precure's Joker was and still is one of the vilest villains the franchise ever had, and was a fantastic character... but as a result of that series's piss-poor plotting, he offed himself to revive a Generic Doomsday Villain with zero personality in the last few episodes. He was exactly the kind of character who should have backstabbed stupid Pierrot, taken the reins by force, and become the true Big Bad, so part of what inspired this story was wondering what would happen if he did just that... after a little trip to Magical Girl Villain Hell, of course.

I imagined the experience would make him even more of a psycho, so I threw in elements of that Joker, plus quite a bit of Kefka Palazzo as well.

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#1945: May 31st 2016 at 2:01:40 AM

Hello!

I think that Madoka isn't the kind of show where you can just throw it in with a regular crossover, to me anyways.

I think shows with urban fantasy settings like the Shin Megami Tensei meta series, Shadowrun, Earthbound/Mother and FSN.

Or one of those shows that does go with everything like Guile's theme like Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure or Kingdom Hearts.

You gotta start somewhere.
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#1946: May 31st 2016 at 3:54:43 AM

And now, bizarrely, I want to see some kind of adoptive mother-child hurt/comfort scene between Godoka and Giygas.

Take a melody, simple as can be~...

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#1947: Jun 1st 2016 at 1:39:49 PM

It's here.

It took a year and a half to get to this point, but it's here at last, and I hope it's worth the wait. :D

Chapter 17 of Shattered Skies... enter the Madokaverse!

For those of you patient enough to stick with the story up until now, you have my gratitude... and my apologies for taking so long. I felt I had to save the Madokaverse for last in order to properly pull out all the stops and deliver it with the gut-punch that the 'verse deserves... let me know if I pulled it off.

SabresEdge Show an affirming flame from a defense-in-depth Since: Oct, 2010
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#1948: Jun 1st 2016 at 8:22:44 PM

[up][up][up]Yes. I've always maintained that the setting is an absolutely crucial part of PMMM, and taking characters away from the incubators and the witches lurking in the background means you're missing some very important parts of the story.

For that reason Madoka crossovers have never much appealed to me. They wouldn't be the characters they are if they didn't have to deal with Kyubey and his manipulation and the dark side of their power.

Charlie Stross's cheerful, optimistic predictions for 2017, part one of three.
heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#1949: Jun 2nd 2016 at 12:39:30 AM

I was honestly going to write a story where Madoka becomes a classic Demon Summoner with Shadowrun elements.

You gotta start somewhere.
RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#1950: Jun 2nd 2016 at 6:57:40 AM

[up][up][up] Oh God.

Oh God.

That's just pure bullshit.

You're Magical Girl Villain! You're not supposed to do military Stealth-Based Game thing! Especially not as the in-

[got Chest Burster-ed]


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