Full Metal Alchemist General

Judging by the time, I'm guessing Rob was responding to Tobias.

Correct sir.

Speaking of purgatory, what is Dante's death by irony?

I think the mos ironic thing you can give Dante is, not death, but eternal life...all alone. Think Vandal Savage in that Justice League Unlimited episode. She finally has a body that won't ever age but she's killed everyone else in the world to get it so now she has nothing.

Unless you want to go with an Ironic Hell where that is the vision she's shown and trapped in after her death.

The obvious answer is that she is devoured by the same creature that was supposed to make her quest for eternal life easier. ..all because she turned that creature mindless.

Poor Gluttony eating rotting flesh D:

My favorite ironic Homunculus death is Wrath's, simply because it's many layers of irony stacked on top of each other. Wrath's greatest crime was the genocide of the Ishvalans. During the course of which, he mocked the head of their religion, a religion focusing on the sun god. In combat, he fights using his Ultimate Eye to give him superhuman reflexes and reaction time.

So how does he die? In combat with a survivor of the genocide, formerly a priest of the religion no less, when the sun, the god he had mocked, just so happens to shine directly into the Ultimate Eye at exactly the right time!

And even though he's not a Homunculus, Truth's end. What better way for a Jackass Genie to go out than effectively getting stuck in his own loophole? He was a good sport about it though.

He didn't even seem bothered by it. He was downright gleeful about being beaten.

I mean, it's been suspected that Truth has to give out the punishments judging by how things went with Roy (easily restored blindness since he knew Roy didn't open the gate on purpose).

As an added bonus said survivor is one of the only people in-series whose anger might match Wrath's, and yet he's fighting him, not out of revenge, but to save the world.

Huh? No homunculus survived, the last one was Envy, who got exactly what he deserved after eating Hohenheim.

Funny you mention it, that was juxtaposed with how Wrath died, which was a self sacrifice to reunite Alphonse and Ed.

One of the few good parts of the movie actually.

As for the Ultimate Eye, that belonged to Pride...not that it helped him see that Selim made him vulnerable or that murdering him was no a good idea. But since he ordered the Ishval genocide just to steal the Philosopher Stones under the justification of being a guardian angel...it's okay that he thoroughly revenged out by Mustang (or would have if Roy hadn't given up at that point)

Geesh, what FMA are you talking about

edited 3rd Jun '15 1:15:14 PM by terlwyth

I think that joke has run its course.

I say we kill him.

Selim got turned into a normal human but he 'died' in a metaphorical sense. Selim's ego got the better of him and he became no better than the humans he mocked as Kimbilee not so eloquently pointed out.

Yeah none of the homunculus got redemption to live surprising considering how many former bad guys exist in stuff like Naruto, Bleach, or One Piece.

Well sometimes people have to die, because Redemption is beyond them.

The Homunculi in FMAB are Made of Evil. They are the sins cast off by a power-hungry abomination.

There's no real way they can be redeemed. Even Pride's redemption was hamfisted, giving Ed a hitherto unseen power.

It still boggles my mind that Greed turned out so well. I'd say that Greed is certainly the second thing Father has the most abundance of. Greed should be just as vile as Pride.

edited 3rd Jun '15 4:22:41 PM by Nikkolas

Could be the fact he was made from Ling and humans tend to have more feelings besides hate and evil. Ling wanted to do a good thing for his people by accepting the stone as well so that could have changed Greed.

Well, Greed came from Father first (and it was pointed out in Fridge Brilliance that Father was somewhat nicer during the time he took Greed back into his body before putting the latter in Ling).

Greed said things like Love are just another form of Greed, so looking at it that way, it makes sense that Greed is a Noble Demon. His Greed allowed him to actually value things beyond himself.

It wasn't completely a hitherto unseen power. Pride tried to enter Ed's body and take over his soul. However, Ed had twice before been able to use souls through alchemy, the second time manipulating his own, so he knew enough to turn the process back on him.

edited 3rd Jun '15 5:19:38 PM by Enlong

That.

Ed transmuting his own soul into a Philosopher's Stone was set up beforehand. He did it to heal himself after his fight with Kimblee went south, back in North City. Similarly, we've seen that a Philosopher's Stone can be unmade when Tim Marco unmade Envy's.

Ed defeated Pride by combining these two effects, because Ed's entire shtick is versatility

edited 4th Jun '15 8:32:48 AM by TobiasDrake

Now that I think about it. Humans in series are creative while homunculi are stagnat and straightforward.

That's about right. Even Father seems dull and lifeless by comparison to other characters, including the homunculi. I describe him as an object in motion. He ripped out all the parts of him that desired to achieve his goals, including the part of him that motivated him to create a family in the first place. He just keeps moving forward, because he also ripped out the part of him that would motivate him to stop.

He has no reason to continue and no reason to stop so he just keeps doing what he's doing right now.

edited 4th Jun '15 8:37:52 AM by TobiasDrake

It's also similar to Sloth, who, when ordered to dig a tunnel around an entire country, was too lazy to say no.

And that's another thing: Despite Father insisting all his sins are gone, he's still prideful (views himself as the greatest of all things), gluttonous (eats sloppily and quickly), etc etc. It's another sign of everything he says being lies that he's convinced himself of.

@terlwyth

I didn't say a Homunculus survived. I was talking about Scar's fight with Wrath.

The only war Wrath's death could've been more ironic is if Ranfan had somehow gotten a shot in given she lost her arm and her grandfather to him. But I think that would've messed with the recurring "revenge doesn't work" theme of the series.