Full Metal Alchemist General

FMA is one of FU Nimation most popular license they more than likely would get the Blu-ray release of it.

And given the fact that FU Nimation re-release Cowboy Bebop on Blu Ray. (An Anime they had no license of to begin with.) I think there's great possibility they'll re-release FMA on Blu-ray

I made this on a whim. I am a terrible person.◊

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What do we think about that Mockingbird?

Double post:

So, could Father have combined the abilities of one Homonculus into a single body.

As in, one being withe the Ultimate shield of Greed, the Super-Speed of Sloth, and the Ultimate Eye of Wrath?

Or would that have just been way too fucking unfair?

For some, probably. The Ultimate Shield is explicitly just a rather basic application of alchemy that most people can't pull off because it requires modifying the elements of your own body. Lust's claws (which I like to think of as the Ultimate Lance) is implied to be the same thing in the opposite direction; ie, more turning carbon to diamond, so that's probably possible too. Envy's shapeshifting (Ultimate Disguise?) is also just performing alchemy on yourself.

But for the others, it's unlikely. Gluttony's maw is the result of a failed attempt to create an artificial Gate of Truth, and not really something anyone else is going to have access to no matter how good an alchemist they are. Sloth's speed and Wrath's eye are never explained in any detail; we don't even really know what the Ultimate Eye does, other than some vague implications of seeing the perfect path. Father could probably use Pride's shadows, but they're actually pretty weak, so why would he?

edited 16th Oct '14 7:10:58 PM by Discar

Makes sense.

Sloth's speeed might another application of Alchemy on the body that lets you move at impossible speeds. Like something that makes your blood pump faster or whatever you could do to yourself that lets you run faster.

Wrath's Eye might be some sort of Alchemically induced Hyper-Awareness. Taking in all your surroundings and calculating the best possible moves you could make, with Alchemy being done on your own brain to make it possible to take in all that information.

His lifetime of training might have something to do with it as well. Recall when Gold-tooth brought out the rejects, who were still pretty dangerous in their own right.

edited 16th Oct '14 7:24:21 PM by HandsomeRob

As noted, Gluttony's transformation into an imperfect Gate of Truth is probably not transferable. I'd say Envy's weight isn't either. Both of those are facets of how they were made rather than merely being a homonculus.

However, there is basis for one homonculus having multiple abilities. Pride actively demonstrates when he consumes Gluttony that powers can be transferred. Eating Gluttony gives Pride his enhanced senses, so that he can track his opponents by scent. Father himself demonstrates it again when he absorbs Greed out of desperation for his Ultimate Shield - implying that these abilities all came originally from Father, and he lost them when he put them into his homonculi.

My understanding of the Eye is that this is exactly correct. The Ultimate Eye takes in all available sensory data, then instantly calculates the optimal course of action. Wrath follows through with it using his own skills and physical abilities; his primary weakness being that because of his aging body, he's losing his ability to follow through with the Eye's calculations. Wrath asserts that he distinguished himself on the battlefield dodging enemy fire - really, think about that, picture him dodging bullets from multiple simultaneous angles simultaneously - and from what we can see of withered, old Wrath, I can believe it. Wrath at his peak must have been goddamn unstoppable.

His secondary weakness, of course, being that with only one soul in his Philosopher's Stone, he can't regenerate like the other homonculi.

edited 16th Oct '14 8:31:42 PM by TobiasDrake

And we should be fucking grateful for that.

Imagine how hopeless a battle with Wrath would have been if he could regenerate.

Even Greed going full ultimate shield would have been unable to stop him.

Of course, I don't think Wrath would have been able to pierce Greed's shield either, but still, Bradley would have been even more unstoppable then he already was.

I get the feeling that how terrifying he was when he wasn't even in his prime is the primary reason he wasn't given regeneration and was able to age by the author in the first place.

Yeah. From a Watsonian perspective, being old and withered makes sense because he's a public figure; he has to be able to age organically or the jig is up. From a Doylist perspective, being old and withered is the only reason he's even beatable, and even accomplishing THAT is practically a miracle in and of itself.

Gluttony was a failure to get some "red stones" properly digested...or something like that...DANTE SAID SO

But seriously where do the 2003 versions fit in?

They don't. Unlike the Brotherhood homunculi, the 2003 versions do not have a mechanic for merging with each other. They can't combine their powersets.

True, because they are incomplete human transmutations,...though that does leave some things up in the air.

Not related, I'm headcanoning that Pride was one of Dante's more recent lovers

I'm wondering if the seven homunculi really represented all of Father's sins, or if he could have made more given the time and inclination. Several centuries went by between the creation of Pride and the creation of Wrath, so it doesn't seem inconceivable that Father still had some sins he hadn't homunculized yet. If so, what do you think they'd be called?

But there are only Seven sins in the first place.

I don't think he had anything else left to split off.

That's how Father has chosen to divide those aspects of himself.

I don't even think our church believes those are all possible vices.

That said if he managed to find something else to split off I doubt it would be something as strong or as primary as those vices.

I dunno, given how Father spent 400 years, created an entire country, and went through so much trouble to pull off his "become God" plan, I'd say a Stubbornness homunculi would have a lot of juice behind it.

Although, since this is shonen manga, stubbornness being portrayed as bad thing would be kind of out of place.

The 2003 anime didn't have that problem....as far as I know. Still, if Father knew when to cut his losses, he wouldn't have gotten screwed over in the manga.

Father's problem wasn't cutting his losses. He didn't lose anything until the very end. His problem was not knowing when to get up from the table and walk away with the prizes he'd already gained.

This is why the House always wins.

Also note that the only Homunculus we know for sure to only have had one incarnation was Envy, who was the absolute first as the failed transmutation of Dante and Hohenheim's son.

Greed is hinted at,but there could've been another Greed.

And the rest...who knows.

Hell it's pretty much up to headcanon trying to explain where Bradley came from, mine personally going off some implications is that he was transmuted from one of Dante's lovers,probably a longer term one, hence why Dante decided to let him and Envy in on practically everything,while pretty much selectively leaving things out for everyone else...Wrath being the worst victim.

Father should had just gotten his prizes and left but he had to bet it all and lost big time.

Wasn't Lust based off of Scar's sister or girlfriend?

Yes, but she's explicitly stated to be "the new Lust" when they're introducing her.

That 2003's homonculi use the Seven Sins names despite having no connection whatsoever to those sins is one of the oddest aspects of that show. What happens if there's eight homonculi? What happens if a seventh is born, and the only available name is Greed, but the new homonculus is a buddhist or something and doesn't believe in material wealth? They don't really fit their names, except when they do, and when they do, that just raises further questions of why they would.

edited 19th Oct '14 5:47:05 AM by TobiasDrake

They fit their names perfectly as far as I can tell. Better than FMAB's Sloth who is just really lazy, one of the most pedestrian and unimaginative definitions of Sloth.

I don't remember how well they do, but I agree that even if they do fit their names that's even weirder.

albeit a valid one.

I'l agree that '03 Sloth was a better take on the vice, but Mangahood Sloth wasn't just laziness. It actually went all the way and showed that his indolence interferred with his status of being a bloody (wingless) A-10 Warthog with a rocket strapped to his back and a Healing Factor to boot.

edited 19th Oct '14 11:11:04 AM by TheAirman