Why not a Muslim superheroine comic?

But it's explicitly said that this character took her name because she's a fan of the namesake character.

edited 6th Nov '13 7:50:58 AM by MarqFJA

Well she's already almost certainly breaking more multiple laws by putting on the costume and fighting crime. what's little copyright infringement?

No, in Marvel it isn't. Not anymore, anyway.

She is a fan of the namesake person. In-universe, she is a celebrity fangirl, not a comic book character fan. In-universe, the former Miss Marvel, Carol Danvers, is a person that actually exists

Wait, what? Ms Marvel is a celebrity in-universe? Where did you get that?

edited 6th Nov '13 8:22:16 AM by MarqFJA

In Marvel universe, yes. She is an well known Avenger. Pretty much all Avengers are celebrities, to a minor or major degree.

I didn't meant literally, as someone who actively promote herself and such^note although she did use to do that. I meant more in the "public person" kind of thing.

(I wonder if we are drifting off-topic? This is not the Comic subforum, after all)

edited 6th Nov '13 8:53:23 AM by Heatth

But... I thought this new character's story is taking place in a separate universe.

I don't think it's that off-topic when the discussion revolves around a newly introduced Muslim comic-book superheroine.

edited 6th Nov '13 8:57:51 AM by MarqFJA

I am pretty sure it is taking place in the regular universe. In fact, the first teaser about this title was included along many other teasers about the Marvel Universe changes for the next year.

I suppose you just misunderstood something?

Re: legality of crimefighting.

I got the impression that they the cops simply turned a blind eye to it. Was it officially legalised in universe?

It was, after the Civil War event. But eventually the law was overthrown. It is somewhat implicit being a super hero and kicking criminals in the face is totally okay.

edited 6th Nov '13 1:36:36 PM by Heatth

Heh.

"What you're doing is illegal!"

"What, saving the world? Well I'd best stop doing it then..."

Twitter Goes After Conan O’Brien for Muslim Superhero Joke

Ugh, this is the worst type of stereotype joke. It is so completely out of context that any resemblance of comedy is gone. The whole punchline is just so obviously wrong that the joke only serves to betray the absolute lack of knowledge of the joke.

Incidentally, I am fairly ignorant about the American Muslim community, so I guess I will ask here: how do they see polygamy? I will take a wild guess and say Muslims like Kamala^note who clearly is not traditional enough to even cover her hair are monogamous. But how are the most conservative types? Do they accept polygamy? If they do, how desirable do they see it?

edited 9th Nov '13 12:38:46 PM by Heatth

Are gender-selective abortions an issue in the Muslim world? Do they have a gender imbalance such that polygamy would probably be a bad idea? Even throwing female concerns out the window, it's very socially imbalanced whereby the few women are hogged by the wealthy men.

I am not terribly sure how common polygyny is in the current Islamic world, but I believe the custom did, indeed, started because of the gender imbalance of the time. Back when the Islam was new, there was plenty wars in the region, so the female to male ratio was high.

I don't know what various private opinions might be in the Muslim community but I would assume that, like Mormons, they don't practice it due to it being illegal.

it was only really something that only the wealthy did. Only the rich could afford to keep multiple wives. The average male Muslim never practised it.

edited 9th Nov '13 6:05:44 PM by joeyjojo

Right, but would the wealthy doing it now be an action that could potentially deprive a poorer man of a wife due to the sheer lack of available women?

Of course! Your number of wives is directly tied to your social status. Some will have many some will have none. Since when was that new a new thing

I don't know about the Middle East but it's not an unknown practice for economically disadvantage brothers to share a single wife between them.

edited 9th Nov '13 7:22:05 PM by joeyjojo

This is a valid topic but doesn't it deserve it's own thread?

Well is there is a polyamory thread it is more about the modern social movement rather than as historically practised.

So how about them funny books?

I could see the concept developing in kinda the same way as Worm.

Take, not just a moderate muslim woman, but a seriously over-orthodox type, Saudi-style. She was educated, because she's from a well-off family... but purely on technical stuff. She kicks ass at math and biology, but she's utterly clueless about the social sciences, philosophy, or anything that could help her develop an ideology of her own. She almost never leaves the house. When she does, she's accompanied by her brother or her father or whoever the available dominant male is. And it's more correct to say that she accompanies him; she always walks 1m behind. She's good at the cooking and the cleaning and the choring: think a Disney's Cinderella kind of personality. In fact, that's very close to the ideal orthodox muslim woman.

Now have an incident occur. Something traumatic. Let's go for the super-dirty drama for starters, and we can tone it down later. Her husband hosts, unbeknownst to her, terrorists. The US commando the house. Stuff Blowing Up. Among which, the strange chemicals the terrorists were bringing in. She inhales the toxic fumes, and something happens to her.

Now, which powers should our veiled Cinderella get?

• Invisibility; would let her sneak into places she's not expected to be, learn things she isn't expected to learn; this gives her a chance to escape her censored life. If the invisibility requires nudity, this might play off interestingly with her well-honed sense of modesty.
• The Flying Brick package; especially with Super-Hearing, the idea would be to set up situations where she can't help but feel obligated to intervene, in spite of the prohibition against being her own woman, in spite of the social disapproval against being stronger than any man, in spite of her own meekness and submissiveness, in spite of tribal values that place all the value in those of your tribe and none in the others, in spite of all of that, when she hears that someone is in distress, especially children, she can't help but attempt to do something about it, and hope to Heaven that she's not fucking up.
• Controlling bugs, or any other such power that would allow her to affect the world from the comfort of her own home.
• Things related to knowledge or probability manipulation or statistics... if we want her to scheme her way out of the lifelong imprisonment and the relative impotence that goes with it (there's already quite a lot of scheming going on, and no matter how blind and cloistered houses are supposed to be, the gravepine ensures they are even more knowledgeable than the ostensibly out-and-about husbands).

Of course, it is very important that, at least a first, she does not resent her lifestyle, but strongly approves of it, and takes great satisfaction and sense of worth out of being a proper Cinderella to the husband that was bestowed upon her (surely you don't think she married out of love).

Egypt's new breed of hijab-clad superheroine

edited 8th Dec '13 2:30:22 AM by betaalpha

LOL at her costume design. It's actually a pretty good idea!

That strip and comment reminded me of Niqabinja.

How is Marvel's attempts going by the way?

edited 8th Dec '13 3:23:10 AM by joeyjojo