It Has No Examples: Dandere

Most of the examples would be about the Shrinking Violet or Emotionless Girl AND the person or small group of people who gets them to open up most often it has to be just them no others. If there isn't both then its not this trope.

The one example I can think of is Yukiko in Persona 4 who is not a Shrinking Violet or Emotionless Girl (EDIT: although she might be seen as Kuudere) but a very private Yamato Nadeshiko who is pretty much gliding by depressed at the fact that she is locked into her life and Chie is the only person she ever really opens up to before she joined the crew and loosened up to the crew. Chie specifically the only person who knew about how she was The Hyena before she actually cracked up for the first time.

edited 23rd Feb '11 10:09:02 AM by Raso

I'd classify Yukiko as Kuudere, personally.

Yeah true I wonder why its not on her character page nor that page itself hmm.

But her and Chie is probably the perfect example of this.

Oh definitely. She's the first one who came to mind for me as well.

I think one thing that confuses people is that Dandere does not necessarily have this relation with a romantic interest, which is what defines most of the other *dere tropes.

I suppose it could have some slight subtext of a Les Yay School Girl Crush or such but really a Romantic relationship is a big strike of them actually being in this trope. but yeah the name itself is strange Dere part is shortened from Deredere itself means Love Struck (although its rather more broad of a meaning in Japanese than the English word for it).

A strange example would probably be Morishima Haruka and Hibiki from Amagami SS Its almost a complete inversion to where Haruka is a Genki Girl and is quite strange but Hibiki who is the serious Kuudere and its Haruka thats the one that cant open up very easily and Hibiki is the only one who she does.

edited 23rd Feb '11 10:41:54 AM by Raso

Googling the term though it seems to have another meaning though then what that page gives.....

[1] The term seems to mean those who can only show their romantic feelings while alone and can not show them in public....

If you want to make a trope about someone who only opens up to a small group of friends, I think it could be a trope, but it's just as common in Western media and I'm sure that there's a name that's much more descriptive than some obscure Japanese name that's a bit too narrow for the trope itself.

Yeah I know what ya mean there I guess I completely misunderstood the meaning to the word. I will probably YKTTW it tonight but that makes 7 YKTT Ws I have going and none of which I think I should launch yet although I probably should.

Urban Dictionary gives me this...

A dandere is a character archtype that entails someone being quiet which is usually associated with shyness. "Dan" comes from the word "danmari" which means silent and taciturn. "Dere" means to become "lovey dovey"

Not to be confused with Kuudere which is a cool person that becomes lovey dovey. They are very similar in appearence and possibly behavior, but their underlying character reasoning is different. Being silent for the sake of being silent vs being cool

And Yahoo Answers this.

Dandere comes from the word danmari (sometimes spelled dammari) which as jisho.org defines, is "silence; without giving notice; taciturnity; refusing explanation; pantomime". Kuudere is just really putting "cool" together with "dere", where the person is kind of impartial or a little hard to deal with, but itsn't exactly rude or harsh like a tsundere.

So, basically, Dandere is more on the quiet side, and Kuudere is more on the cool side, but they do definitely have the qualities of both in them.

So maybe merge with Kuudere with redirect and explain the direct difference Kuudere is cool or cold and Dandere is just the complete silent type but opens up to her romantic interest.

Or make the writeup better and leave as is. List the Violets that fit this and state there is possible overlap with Kuudere.

Sorry for misunderstanding this..... this like only the third time I have heard the term. I feel like an idiot.

edited 23rd Feb '11 12:42:09 PM by Raso

Improve the description and then put in bold letters: ''No examples please". That always put the point across.

There is no reason why it shouldn't have examples, it's clearly different from both other tropes, even if there are overlapping examples.

I think we would have to redefine Kuudere slightly or something to add examples because visually there could be next to no difference between the two. Make it clear that Dandere is unsocial or just plain silent outside, sweet inside involving the Love Interest while Kuudere is Cool outside always in charge.

I mean the debate of who is who would be iffy I mean Yukiko from Persona 4 could be interpreted at both although she is probably Dandere.

However Nodoka from Negima would solidly be Dandere (The bowling alley chapter is probably the clearest example of this Seven minutes of small talk! a new record.)

edited 24th Feb '11 6:39:38 AM by Raso

So rewrite? Points to probably include

• Unsocial in some way due to shyness. Emotionless Girl, Broken Bird or such.
• Can be visually close to Kuudere but the reasons for it are different those are cool quiet but seemingly functional and Dandere are flat out unsocial.
• Common character types are Hikkomori and Cute Bookworm (whenever that gets launched)
• once in the relationship it maybe something like Defrosting the Ice Queen but more coming out of their shell.

A few examples I can think of off hand (probably too long for the page but it helps get points across.)

• Negima Nodoka breathes this trope in early chapters quite the Shrinking Violet with a mild case of Do Not Like Men once she begins her relationship with negi she goes in the other direction into the to forceful territory but still keeps a somewhat shy exterior with almost everyone else.
• Haruhi in disappearance Yuki seems to have become a textbook example of this having only a love for books she is very shy but holds a great interest in Kyon and attempts to get him to join the literature club and invites him over for tea. Kyon later explains how their relationship would of gone had it continued.
• Persona 4 Yukiko a seemingly Broken Bird who just wants to get away from her life as she opens up to the player the player realises that she is really quite friendly and goofy however during this actual Romance is optional but it is very much implied to be at least a crush in both paths.

edited 27th Feb '11 2:27:47 AM by Raso

By that definition isn't Haruhi herself an example?

Haruhi? Shy?

No. Just... No.

Haruhi is Dandere for excitement.

...yeah, doesn't quite work.

That definition has no 'shy' on it. Just 'unsocial', which Haruhi is. At the start of the series she is just some annoying unsocial girl. Then she make friends and become the uber energetic Genki Girl she is more know for. As far we know she is just as unsocial with every one else, though.

edited 27th Feb '11 3:23:17 AM by Heatth

It says "Unsocial in some way due to shyness"

Oh! Read it wrong, sorry 'bout that.

@Raso, the Nodoka Does Not Like Man is an anime only thing. There is no indication of such in the manga.

Well, she's nervous around boys at first, because she doesn't have much experience interacting with them, but it goes away fairly quickly.

Around 'boys' as in 'Negi', right? There isn't many other boys in the series, after all. She doesn't seemed particularly shy with Kotarō, after all. No more then her normal shyness, I mean.

Well yeah, because Koutaro didn't show up till after she got over it.

Basically I'm saying its a flanderization, not something the anime made up out of whole cloth.

...not that I have any particular interest in what either of the anime series had to say about any of the characters, so whatever.

The whole Doesnt Like Men thing is in the manga just very mild and she moves out of it fast mostly thanks to her interactions with negi she is still very shy all around except with Negi and members of Ala Alba till she goes full on Plucky Girl in the Magic World.

And if you go by her whole explanation on how she did the math on the number of people in the world she was pretty much a Broken Bird till Kyon gave her the idea to start the SOS dan and such I can see how Haruhi would kinda fit this trope and the big reason why she grabs the "normal" Kyon.

She comes out of that shell within like 5 minutes of the first episode full steam.

edited 27th Feb '11 8:23:22 AM by Raso

Now that I think about it Mikuru is one too.

So Haruhi and Mikiru are Danderes too?

Thinking about it, Yuki could be considered one too. She's mostly silent, but when she spilled the beans about her being an alien...

Thats different. Yuki simply uses the minimum number of words necessary to express whatever she needs to get across. Usually the amount is "very few", but sometimes...it takes more.

But she's not Dandere.