What would you do in this murder case?

^ So you're saying that someone who allows their child to be tortured to death over a period of several years makes for a good parent? You certainly have interesting values.

"He does not have to physically interfere. Just go to the damn police! And yes, I would think the same if the genders were reversed." - Beholderess

The question is, how many people WOULD?

(sigh) Please do not twist my words. I did not say that anyone is to blame for failing to report abuse to themselves. That is perfectly understandable. But failing to act when there are other family members being abused - this I have problem with, to both genders. You know, there are several cases where fathers sexually abused their daughters - well, I've always wondered where the hell was their mother during all that, and why she does not share the blame, because she should! Note that I won't consider her in any way responsible for abuse done to herself. See the difference?

edited 12th Feb '11 9:52:16 PM by Beholderess

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common

I have said the exact same thing for women who allow their children to be horrifically abused by husbands boyfriends. I believe both parents should be held equally responsible when the other parent is not also being severely abused.

That said, I didn't notice that there was a second page in this article, and missed the part about the husband being abused, so I retract what I said about him deserving the same penalty she gets. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

edited 12th Feb '11 10:07:16 PM by Meeble

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Ditto. If that part is true, he's just as much a victim as the daughter.

edited 12th Feb '11 10:10:51 PM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

"'You know, there are several cases where fathers sexually abused their daughters - well, I've always wondered where the hell was their mother during all that, and why she does not share the blame, because she should!" - Beholderess

Okay then, so the question arises, why isn't that attitude more popular?

"So you're saying that someone who allows their child to be tortured to death over a period of several years makes for a good parent? You certainly have interesting values."

There's a difference between, 'no longer being a good parent' and 'being at fault for your child's death at the hands of another'

"But failing to act when there are other family members being abused"

Except, he was being abused too.

My other signature is a Gundam.

Because our society is still quite sexist? Sad but true.

edited 12th Feb '11 10:25:20 PM by Beholderess

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common

I said he was at fault if he's not telling the truth, and if he is telling the truth he still doesn't deserve to keep the kids. Seems pretty clear to me.

Death penalty for the mother.

I missed the other page (just didn't notice that there was one).

Since the guy was abused too, I don't know if he was at all capable of reporting the case to the cops. He's still gonna need plenty of therapy before he can be considered responsible enough to take care of the other kids (just as a woman in a case like this would be).

If he was mentally unstable to the extent that he couldn't report the abuse of his (adopted) daughter, he's not sane enough to have responsibility over his own children. After therapy, he'll probably be able to take them back, but for the time, it's surrogate families and therapy to the kids. And yes, I would be saying this if the genders were reversed; it is possible to become unable to raise your own kids because you are abused. It's a real thing.

edited 13th Feb '11 1:16:27 AM by BestOf

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

@Beholderess: The mental pressures that prevent you from reporting your own abuse to the police are the same ones that prevent you from reporting other people's abuse to the police.

If you say they're not an excuse not to report other people's abuse, then they're not an excuse not to report your own abuse either, and therefore for everyone who is abused it's their own fault.

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1

Please forgive my having skimmed over some of the posts in the last couple of pages, but- if it were a case where the father was abusing his children and the mother knew about it and had kept silent, she would most definitely be culpable in my opinion.

edited 13th Feb '11 6:28:42 AM by EnglishIvy

And if she was being abused also, as he was?

That's kind of a crucial detail you skipped over, you know. Makes you wonder why most people don't just skip to the end of the topic before they post.

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1

There are only two things these pezzi di merda deserve: Life in prison, with a lot of people who would give child abusers like them a slow and painful death ("Dude's gonna keep dropping the soap, and—SURPRISE BUTTSECKS!" being an example.) or a slow and painful execution. They meet the fates that they deserve in both cases.

The Southpaw has no brakes!

I've never heard of a person who deserved torture, but of course that's just my opinion.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

I'd personally wait till I heard the defence. One cannot simply go on what the prosecution says immediatly. Plus its always funny when obviously guilty people get defence.

Other than that? Prison for life with no possibility of parole, most of it preferably in solitary "for her own safety" until she either dies or goes insane.

No solitary. She deserves to have every prisoner killing her slowly and painfully.

The Southpaw has no brakes!

Luckily we don't live in a country where barbaric, cruel and unusual punishments are permitted.

:|

My other signature is a Gundam.

I've been trying to avoid saying this considering how often I think it's said inappropriately, but please stop strawmanning. Before I instantly assume it's what you believe, do you think the man in this case is a fit guardian for the other children after all this? Because I personally prefer parents who will do something when people try to torture me to death.

edited 13th Feb '11 10:28:40 AM by Arha

Guys, neither of you are arguing from sufficient information. All we have are a couple of lines to go on here. Just wait it out, and see if he was actually getting abused or not.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.

"Because I personally prefer parents who will do something when people try to torture me to death."

It's easy to look down on others and say they should've done better when you haven't been subject to the same situations.

My other signature is a Gundam.

I don't see what that has to do with anything. It's hard to fail worse than that.

In any case, if he's not totally lying about his feelings, this is how he is going to feel for the rest of his life.

whoever wrote this shit needs to step on a rake in a comedic fashion

"It's easy to look down on others and say they should've done better when you haven't been subject to the same situations." - Commando Dude

Well said.