Republicans move to redefine rape to limit taxpayer-funded abortions

...I can't make out what you mean from that really short sentence...

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

You don't need a special diet. The rest is unfortunate, but doesn't take any conscience input from the mother.

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"Sex is, however, something that most of the population wants to do (just like you can technically do without a car -mass transit anyone- but having one makes your life easier),"

What about places without mass transit?

"and they should be taught how to do it safely."

Sure, but the question is whatever level of emphasis should be placed on encouraging them to avoid it until they can deal with the potential consequences.

"Especially as teenagers, if the prevailing opinion is that teenagers make poor decisions."

Perhaps better combating the "rooting for studs, ridiculing virgins" mentality would be in order there.

And the "teenagers make bad decisions" attitude should hardly be equated with conservatism. I've gone to predominantly liberal webforums where the prevailing attitude was that teenagers were foolish. I've gone to forums closer-to-centrist where people regarded that as an overrated stereotype. (One user was fairly socially conservative, as in against gay marriage, against legal abortion, etc... yet stated in his profile he was defying the stereotype of teenagers who rebel against parents.)

EDIT: Also...

"Let's see, it poses a threat to the mother" - Signed

Well, not deliberately. For what it's worth there's a difference between "self-defense" against someone who's deliberately attacking you and against someone who's accidentally attacking you. For one thing, it would be more likely "justified" to kill an aggressor than to kill someone who happens to be causing harm through circumstance.

edited 27th Feb '11 6:56:31 PM by neoYTPism

It doesn't take any input to avoid doing a bunch of things she does daily if she wasn't stuck with an unborn baby?

And you're still ignoring the fact that theres also a health risk to the woman's future baby that she might want to keep.

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

So, if driving is like sex, does that make taking the bus masturbation?

Now that makes my joke even funnier.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

Of course I am. That should go without saying.

My point is though that the argument of

if you don't trust their reasons for getting an abortion, why do you expect them to nurture a fetus in the womb for 9 months?

Doesn't quite hold water. The human body is on auto drive. What is the woman going to do? Drop it?

edited 27th Feb '11 8:34:34 PM by joeyjojo

hashtagsarestupid

So what does all of this have to do with the original topic?

Who watches the watchmen?

Oh we have gone pass the OP long ago.

bringing up the OP at this point is derailing

hashtagsarestupid

Women are expected to stop doing all kinds of activities  ^*

^{drinking, smoking, sports, diets, to name just a few}

to make sure that the baby turns out as healthy as possible - and that's for the women who want the baby. If the mother doesn't want the kid, it's almost a dare to go get blitzed on her hazardous pasttime of choice, in the hopes of inducing a miscarriage - and if that doesn't work, the one left suffering is the child.

Republicans are trying to limit abortions to increase the number of deformed babies born?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

My point remains. It may be a massive inconvenience, but it doesn't take skill to to carry and birth a child.

Lil Paladin Suzy/Insanity Wolf sums it up well.

edited 27th Feb '11 9:14:29 PM by joeyjojo

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It doesn't take skill to carry and birth a child, but it does take effort to ensure it is born healthy. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, babies born with drug addictions, diseases passed from mother to child, all the complications of pregnancy that can be damaging to both the mother and child.

There's a reason that once upon a time, women and infants had such high mortality rates.

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Hey ho! I have statistics!

First, let's look at the information from the National Center for Victims of Crime (US based).

Note that all of the following are for females in the United States unless otherwise noted.

So what does this mean? Well, for one, it means it's not nearly as bright as I said it was nor was it as bleak as shimaspawn stated. Now, I'm not going to speak for any country other than the United States right now since I'm not native to those countries and therefore not as well versed in their legal systems, but currently the United States.

As the numbers above suggest, it's far from a 100% run for the law as far as catching rapists go, but as you'll notice, the women in question at least have a 2/5 chance of actually catching the rapist. This is not factoring in the matter of how long some women decide to wait due to the trauma. You can't say all of those women who reported the crime were exactly fast to do, nor can we say that they necessarily waited several days to report it either. However, as far as forensics go, the sooner the evidence is secured, the better, meaning that yes, even if you're under emotional stress now, you're much better off if you report it sooner, or you know, at all since there's two more statistics up there:

• Only 41% of women who have been raped report this stuff. I'll be blunt here, you're your own worst enemy if you don't actually report these crimes. Rape cases often get priority over just about all other cases minus murder in both court and police offices.
• There are victim compensation programs. Now, I'm not saying they're a good replacement for the fact that a woman that has been raped, but chances are, you can call one of several groups based around the United States (and probably several other countries) and get funding and support for the legal matters, the counseling, and for dealing with the possible child that may appear as a result.

Final statement for now: The legal system isn't perfect, but it isn't broken either. Many more rapists can be jailed every year in the United States if some of these women took it upon themselves to report this sort of matter as soon as possible. See, unlike other crimes, rape usually isn't reported by the victim immediately due to that emotional trauma (compared to say, you just saw a dead body with bullet holes, what do you think you're going to do?), which severely hampers the case for the victim due to evidence decay, especially of which is, you know, semen and therefore organic. What I'm basically asking is that the victims be brave and let the problem be known, otherwise it won't go away.

Feel free to call me cold for saying that and if you got any evidence that contradicts mine, bring it up. And go ahead and refute what I've said, all I want to do is make it clear that I'm not imposing my opinion on the matter, just simply trying to sort things out.

I'm off to the Federal Bureau of Investigation site.

edited 28th Feb '11 4:31:58 AM by Usht

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

Yes I know. The people the Spartas only allowed marked burials for were men who died in battle, and women who died in childbirth.

Is it not unreasonable to give her the chance to back out of it Usht and Anonym?

edited 28th Feb '11 4:46:53 AM by joeyjojo

hashtagsarestupid

Umm, I don't understand your question. It's rather vague.

EDIT: Well, I'll attempt to answer you question anyway: The woman is allowed to do what she wants. After all, no one forces you to report the crime and the government did, it'd be stepping over your rights. However, I'm just saying it's probably one of the best, if not the best, routes to take.

edited 28th Feb '11 5:05:41 AM by Usht

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

i'm just saying even if the baby is an innocent being and deserving of life, does that really justify forcing a woman to go through the    agony    of childbirth? ,:^/

edited 28th Feb '11 5:13:47 AM by joeyjojo

hashtagsarestupid

That's not really the topic I'm covering right now, but I'll tackle it anyway...

That's really up to the mother. She, through unfortunate circumstances that were not in her control, ended up pregnant. No one else can truly say whether or not she should birth that child because only she knows if she can, or even wants to, handle that sort of problem. For one, unless you want a child, I'm pretty sure being pregnant is going to be more than just a minor hassle and in the third quarter, more than just a hazard. Plus, many rape victims are likely single and thus don't have the necessary partner to help them with all of the physical labor they won't be able to handle now due to being pregnant or provide the monetary support when the mother can no longer work.

On top of that, birthing, from what I've heard (you know, never having gone through it myself), is rather on the painful side. Plus, there will be filling out forms and such if you do put that child up for adoption or even more trouble if you decide to raise such the child.

It's a whole series of problems that mother didn't ask for and no one can force her to have that child because of that fact.

edited 28th Feb '11 5:28:01 AM by Usht

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

but if she consented sex, then she has consented to nine months of pain?

edited 28th Feb '11 5:30:04 AM by joeyjojo

hashtagsarestupid

This topic is currently about rape. Feel free to take that question to the "Bad kind of abortion" topic.

edited 28th Feb '11 5:32:59 AM by Usht

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

Sorry 36 pages in and its easy to forget which thread is which

Okay "if" a women is raped and wants an abortion (which u seem ok with) should tax payer money go towards it?

edited 28th Feb '11 5:37:11 AM by joeyjojo

hashtagsarestupid

Seeing as we're paying to feed the criminals who sit around in our jails, I don't see why not. That woman in this case is not in the wrong, we might as well give her compensation.

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

Yes well for the republican party the aim seems not to be less abortions but rather less tax funded abortion.

edited 28th Feb '11 5:47:34 AM by joeyjojo

hashtagsarestupid

Meaning that I disagree with them. What's your point? That this topic has derailed? Probably, but no point in having it derail onto a topic that's being covered elsewhere.

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

Huh?

hashtagsarestupid

Misunderstandings? ANYWAY! Got anything more to say about the Republican attempt to limit taxpayer funded abortions or about what is the actual situation with rape and women and how we can deal with it?

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

Wanna point out here, just because 40% of people who commit reported "forcible" (I'm assuming they mean violent) rape are arrested, doesn't mean that 40% of people who commit all rape are arrested.

Violent rape is one of the types of rape most likely to be reported and most likely to be prosecuted, because it's more easy to say definitively the woman didn't consent.

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1