Does anybody here actually like ALL the Fallout games?

By ALL I mean the main RPG's. So I don't really mean all of them.

I bought Fallout 3 on Black Friday, but I haven't actually played it yet, because I am determined to beat the first two games first. I already completed Fallout 1 (one of the best RPG's I've ever played. Right up there with Mass Effect). I'm stuck on Fallout 2. Not because of gameplay, mind you, but because of a goddamned bug.

And while I haven't played Fallout 3 yet, I don't think I'm going to be screaming They Changed It, Now It Sucks! when I get around to doing so. I am acknowledging that it is a completely different style from the first two, so I'm going to go in judging it on a different set of criteria than the first two. If a work differs from the source material enough, I end up judging it on its own merits instead of comparing it to the previous works (Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is an exception. I don't know why). After all, I am one of the five people on Earth who likes both the Japanese and American Godzilla.

Also, I like The Elder Scrolls, and I tend to agree with whatever the mainstream critics say (and I should note that none of these critics seem to be judging Fallout 3 by comparing it to the first two games). Add to that the fact that I only recently got into Fallout and thus don't have the nostalgia factor to worry about.

I should probably get to the point.

Three questions.

1. Is there anyone who likes both Interplay's Fallout and Bethesda's Fallout?
2. The Fallout classic fans who ripped on Fallout 3, how do they feel about New Vegas? It was created by employees from Black Isle Studios, after all.
3. Are there any things about the 3D games that the die hard fandom does like?

edited 20th Dec '10 6:27:06 PM by RL_Nice

Hi.

Nice to meet you. Just don't mention Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.

You should add a Berserk Button link to Brotherhood of Steel.

edited 20th Dec '10 6:36:47 PM by RL_Nice

I think he means 1-3.

I love how you automatically assume I'm a he. (I am a he, by the way)

And yes, I am referring to 1-3. And New Vegas.

edited 20th Dec '10 6:38:15 PM by RL_Nice

I was tempted, but it might be interpreted as it being a Berserk Button for me specifically, rather than most Fallout fans.

edited 20th Dec '10 6:38:43 PM by Legionnaire

Sorry.

No offense taken. I suppose there aren't much women who proclaim themselves to be Bigfoot Punchers.

I have taken my own thread way off topic before any on topic posts have even been made.

edited 20th Dec '10 6:54:09 PM by RL_Nice

Can we keep mammalsauce out of this thread?

You think he's bad, try talking to any Obsidian fanclown or NM Aer. At least mammalsauce isn't an NMA idiot.

I don't so much as like Fallout 1/2 as tolerate them. I like Tactics, only because I'm a huge fan of Jagged Alliance 2.

mammalsauce?

This guy.

Hm, well I'm a big fan of the original two, having logged many hours into both(more into Fallout 2. I'm also a fan of tactics as by the time it had come out I had become a big fan of SRPGS, though the multi-player component was dead before I ever got to try it 6-_-

Now I have just bought fallout 3 GOTY edition during the steam sale and I believe I will enjoy it, but in a different way. I have no illusions of it recapturing that nostalgic pleasure I get from booting up the originals. But from what I've seen it takes the setting and does something different with it. Admittedly I rarely get into fan-type conflict and tend to look at games as individual experiences unless theres clear connections... Fallout is a world that can hold several stories and experiences that can be independent of each other.

I like them all despite the fact that I can't play Fallout 2 worth two craps. Not much leeway in that game early on...

You can get access to Navarro before you hit level 2.

edited 20th Dec '10 8:56:21 PM by Legionnaire

I like all of them. Though I like some more than others.

edited 20th Dec '10 11:35:22 PM by Mukora

@Jack Mackerel: Hi.

Anyway yeah, I like them all, though Fallout 3 is definitely the one I like less. Is that okay as an answer? We already had a thread for this stuff btw.

Can we keep mammalsauce out of this thread?

To answer your questions:

• 1. There has to be at least someone out there.
• 2. It's overwhelmingly positive. The major complaints are about bugs (duh) and the overall crappiness of the Oblivion engine.
• 3. About New Vegas? Almost everything. About Fallout 3? Most of the hXc NMA Tru Bros utterly despise it. I personally thought it got the superficial Fallout atmosphere dead-on.

I enjoyed Fallout 3. I'm never going to play it again because New Vegas is so much better, but it's definitely not completely worthless. I had a ton of fun exploring the wasteland. 99%of the game's problems are based on its derp writing (causing poorly thought-out world design, bad/ridiculous quests, and stupid dialog) and New Vegas remedies that. Since it was pretty poorly received in the departments where the series is usually known to excel it's pretty obvious that the ye olde fans would hate it. I am 50/50 optimistic for FO 4, I just really, really hope they listen to the critics and fix their most glaring flaw... but bad writing in Bethesda is nothing new.

I do. When I first started I thought FO 3 was Oblivion in a really good Fallout costume: it didn't feel like a Fallout game but it did it's best trying to look like one. When it's all said and done, it's a Fallout game, not the style I'd prefer it to be in, not the best, but it's a worthy part of the series all the same. What can I say, I don't believe sprites and turn-based are completely obsolete by polygons and real-time.

I heard nothing but good things about NV. Need to play some day.

Can I clarify whether "liking" in the case of a subject as touchy as Fallout can be replaced with "not hating"? I don't hate Fallout 3, I just think that it is not a very good game on its own, even without the franchise coverage. The painfully binary quest results are a faux pas for an ethically-charged RPG (which is how I prefer to define Fallout and its ilk, because Baldur's Gate is almost as old and was vaporware for almost as long and neither gets bragging rights for inventing it anyway) released after the turn of the millenium. You can either do implied good or implied evil and somehow even if you do evil with good intent or a good deed that has evil consequences, you get judged by the karma system on the superficial value of your actions SOM Etimes and on the global value SOME OTHER times. As in, if you kill people for the spiteful ghoul in Necropolis (you know the one, the one that gives you a Hannibal Lecture about ghouls being taken for zombies and headshotted - somehow you can't Shut Up, Hannibal! him that it's not a race thing) you get good karma because they're all dicks anyway, especially Tenpenny, but you're doing it for ANOTHER dick and a lot of money, come on.

Oh, and the fact that despite some people arguing to the contrary, it still is Oblivion with guns (which can be easily proven by demonstration of the Chinese Sword as wielded by any Power Armor user). Except with a hideously crippled climbing logic where you can't scale half the garbage hills despite being able to literally walk up steep slopes of MOUNTAINS in Oblivion and Morrowind without any spells whatsoever. Vegas rectified that to an extent, but still suffered from it occasionally — thankfully, there are mods to fix that.

But to clear it up, I did enjoy playing it. But I loved New Vegas (as opposed to worshipping Fallout 1 and liking Fallout 2 and enjoying Fallout 3 once because because of its linearity it is not an experience you want to willingly repeat within ten years of the first one), and of the entire Fallout series, I still love Wasteland best.

edited 21st Dec '10 1:38:23 PM by Noelemahc

I'm wondering if I should add And The Fandom Rejoiced to New Vegas's page for when it was announced that some of the developers from Black Isle Studios would be working on it. I'm not sure, though, because I don't know if the fandom actually did rejoice.

edited 21st Dec '10 1:53:36 PM by RL_Nice

I would, but make sure you use the YMMV tab.

Huh? I was sure there was already that entry for New Vegas. If I recall correctly they've already took it out so I dunno.. I'm not really following the Wiki part of TV Tropes that much these days.

All right. Didn't think to check the Your Mileage May Vary tab. It's there.

Come to think of it, why would And The Fandom Rejoiced be subjective? I thought the fact that many fans are pleased is a matter of fact, not opinion.