Transformers Prime

Oh yeah... and Micheal Bay is making another one I think....

Well fuck, we can panic now.

And I just got back from the Thundercats thread, too!

bu...bu...but Knock-out...and Starscream...And badass Soundwave, and Optimus and Bumblebee and Bulkhead and Smokescreen and and and...And Megatorn and BREAKDOWN

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...just as it was getting good

But uhhh anyway, whats all this about beast hunters?

please tell me something to make me happy. Like, really good TFP fanfiction, or that we'll see Knock-Out again or why the hell this franchise is ending?!?!?

If this has anything to do with ponies, I will cry, so hard, because dammit! I just got out of my pony bashing stage, I don't wanna go back there! I don't like feeling angry!

'Goes and eats cookie dough and gets super depressed'

edited 15th Sep '12 9:27:01 PM by Lunarcat

Beast Hunters, not machines.

Maybe the series will reach a planned ending? I heard that they had material for at least three seasons.

Do you guys think it is there any chance that Knock Out could fix Breakdown? I am not sure if I should keep my hope up or not.

"When we kill a character, they stay dead."

The 'best' Breakdown can hope for is a nice big infusion of Dark Energon.

That implies that any of them are actually dead.

Well, in Fall Of Cybertron.... Megatron gets crushed by Metroplex and later rebuilt by Soundwave. Then again, I'm not entirely convinced the Cybertron games and this show are exactly in the same timeline...

For god's sake... It's been stated by Word of God that the Cybertron games are Prime's prequels.

I was under the impression that they merely shared thematic ties and design touchstones, not that they are full-on sequels and prequels.

It's complicated. In TF mythology they have these things called continuity families. Continuity families are a bunch of similar universes that, while very close, don't line up exactly. For example fans talk of "The G1 continuity family" or "The Unicron Trilogy (Armada, Energon, and Cybertron) continuity family" which could refer to either the shows or the comic books associated with each. For our purposes let's focus on the G1 comics and cartoon.

No one will deny they're both G1 pieces of fiction however they have many contradictory parts. The connection between WFC/FOC and the Exodus/Exiles novels is the same. Now how is Prime related to them? Well let's look at Beast Wars. That show is clearly a G1 sequel, I don't think anyone disputes that. Problem, what is it a sequel to? Events in it don't neatly line up with either the cartoon or the comic. It appears to be a sequel to some unidentified branch of the G1 continuity that shares elements of both the cartoon and the comic but perfectly resembles neither. Prime is pretty much the same way with the games and novels. They all have similar traits and histories but none of them line up perfectly.

edited 16th Sep '12 4:37:05 PM by Kostya

Check out the Transformers Aligned Universe page, it explains things well there. Basically there is a unified Series Bible used by the production team of each project that they are to use as reference, but given that they are distinct production teams there are some discrepancies in how certain things are depicted. It's meant to be used as Broad Strokes, everything that fits can be taken as canon and anything that that doesn't has to be altered to fit in either side. Given that Transformers Prime is set in the modern day and War For Cybertron / Fall Of Cybertron set in the distant past that generally puts more pressure on Prime to keep continuity, but Hasbro explicitly said that the story is more important than the details.

... and some more

The post that had the link to the site updated itself saying there will be a season 4 of transformers prime. rumors of it ending with season 3 are false.

@cal: that's a sever injury and getting knocked the fuck out, not dying. trying being hit by a car going 60 and living through operations and rehab, that's what happened to Meg's.

if true, heart is unbroken now!

Ehhhh, yes and no.
I just played through that scene with Soundwave last night.

You could argue severe injury, but then we're talking SEVERE: Megatron lost both arms and his head. Soundwave also specifically says " Infusing Dark Energon". It's possible that Megatron's previous fusing with Dark Energon could be the reason he doesn't go zombie. Could explain the unbalanced personality seen afterwards, too.

I vote died or very very close to it.

Ok so NDE, Near Death Experance

This brings up a question: what does it take to actually kill a Transformer? In the Movies being ripped apart can do the job, but if you look at Beast Wars or mainly the Predacons (since we never see any Maximals blown apart) they're practically immortal (Rampage aside) in comparison. I give special mention to Inferno who in "Optimal Situation" had holes in his head and chest you could see out the other side!

The G1 Cartoon was inconsistent between the series and movie. In the show I remember Blitzwing flattening Prowl and several others, in the movie a few shots are enough to take them down.

edited 17th Sep '12 11:55:46 AM by WorldTurtle

It's never been consistent, even in individual series. Prime's cast are relatively fragile by Transformer standards, but still ridiculously hard to actually kill.

I know, it can get frustrating at times doesn't? (As far as BW is concerned I still believe Terrorsaur, Scorponok, Inferno, Quickstrike, and Dinobot II are still possibly alive. Tarantulas melted/splatted on screen so I'm pretty sure he's dead unless he had a backup plan/body for such an occasion. Rampage's destruction was confirmed by Dinobot II discussing his spark becoming "whole".)

I'm not 100% sure of the exact order, but I would say The Transformers from the Film series are the weakest in terms of durability. I would put Beast Wars on top, but i recall the TF Sparks in Energon can survive the destruction of their bodies-at least for a time. (Though it has been shown in BM that the sparks of transformers from that universe can also exist outside their bodies)

edited 17th Sep '12 12:55:18 PM by WorldTurtle

question: WHY THE FUCK WAS FOWLER JUST SITTING WITH THE KIDS? Work your CIA magic dude.

I believe things like comics later confirmed that Terrorsaur and Scorponok survived their bath in the lava but it caused them to go into stasis lock and become fossilized when it cooled. Years later they were unearthed.

Quickstrike and Inferno could be in stasis lock but without the technology to put them back together they're effectively dead.

edit: The movie T Fs are only weakest if you're talking about Decepticons.

edited 17th Sep '12 1:10:15 PM by Kostya

Beast Wars established that so long as the spark chamber is functional a Transformer can recover from almost any injury, Waspinator being shredded into confetti notwithstanding. G1 was heavily inconsistent with what is necessary to kill a Cybertronian, as Ultra Magnus was blown apart and put back together while Optimus Prime merely suffered some comparatively superficial injuries (Of course, if they knew about the Junkion medical expertise they might have been able to save Prime too).

Animated didn't really show the characters getting injured and die all that much, it only showed that most Decepticons were practically immune to Bumblebee's stinger rays. Transformers Prime, on the other hand, shows them to be fairly sturdy but also vulnerable to a lot more than blunt trauma, with several biological weapons (Tox-En and Cybonic Plague) and the dangers inherent with arctic temperatures.

The movies showed that they need some fairly severe damage to the head or chest in order to die, and except for Frenzy's unique biology that remained relatively consistent. Hence Prime's decapitation rampage throughout all of the movies, it was the most efficient way to make sure they were down (unlike Brawl, who got back up after they thought he was dead). But they also showed the Matrix bringing Sentinel Prime back on-line, even though they considered him to be in stasis and not dead.

I think the general idea given Soundwave reviving Megatron is that you can revive a spark if the original chamber is still in decent shape and you have the right catalyst to jump-start it, which is why Dark Energon was explicitly used.

Just to point out, Waspinator's spark chamber is in his head. As long as his head is around he's fine. Unless of course there was a scene in which his head was flat out blown up in which case he should be dead.

One time he got turned into confetti.