Rebuild of Evangelion

Nope. I consider MGS to be Eva's gaming equivalent after all.

And yeah, Sakura Nagashi is quite a good song. Utada Hikaru is the best after all. Though I still prefer Beautiful World.

Wonder if she'll return for FINAL?

edited 10th Oct '13 10:50:29 PM by LDragon2

I've never played MGS (closest I've gotten is playing Snake in Super Smash Bros Brawl) but from what I understand, it isn't nearly as weird or full of mind screwy nonsense as EVA is. Hell from what I understand mostly, although the ending to MSG2 was confusing it was still understandable in some regard and MSG 4 cleared any loose ends regarding it.

And yeah chances are she'll return for FINAL, considering she's done all the previous credit songs.

Personally, I feel that Metal Gear Solid 2 has the most in common with Eva, and especially with 3.0. Mainly due to the way it toyed with the audiences expectations, played with the preconceptions of sequels, and made the character essentially a pawn and made all the heroic efforts from before pointless. Not to mention that it left open a lot of questions that the fourth entry for both series now needs to explain, retcon, and tie-up.

Who knows. Maybe that's the reason FINAL got pushed back. Because now that Anno did all that, he suddenly realized that he kind of wrote himself into a corner.

edited 10th Oct '13 11:01:33 PM by LDragon2

He's waiting for all the to reach critical mass, at which point he'll pick out the craziest theories and mix them in.

Maybe, maybe not.

This is the main example of Trolling Creator. Perhaps he knew exactly what he was doing with the start and was f*cking with us. Or not.

It's incredibly hard to tell. Though regardless I do have to note that in some way 3.0 did feel like a direct consequence of 2.0's ending. I mean, come on he practically caused the end of the world unintentionally, were you not expecting anything but dark stuff after that? Then again those are my thoughts

edited 10th Oct '13 11:17:14 PM by JRPictures

I'll just do a semi-adlib of that one MGS 2 analysis that I read.

Despite the Near-Impact, 2.0 ultimately ended on a positive and hopeful note. The main theme was that one had to stand up on one's two feet, take action, and that one was better than they thought they were. Shinji was finally beginning to act for himself, no longer just sitting around and hoping things would boil over. Rei was rescued from death by Shinji, who re-affirmed her that she was her own person, and her relationship with him was beginning to make her human. Third Impact was ultimately averted, the world was saved, and Kaworu seemed to be the one to further along Shinji's development.

All this becomes more bitter when we see how that optimism failed. Rei was ultimately doomed to perish, replaced by a clone with none of the development her predecessor had undergone. Third Impact happened anyways, killing off thousands of people, with nothing to show for it. Shinji's actions ultimately caused more harm than good, effectively proving Shinji's original mindset correct. Kaworu was unable to bring joy to Shinji, instead causing more grief to him, culminating in a last-ditch sacrifice an in attempt to set things straight, which didn't even work.

To put it bluntly, 3.0 dramatized everything that could have gone wrong in 2.0's ending. Everything that had justified a sequel to 2.0-Shinji and Rei's growing relationship and character development, Kaworu's role in said growth, the state of the world and the people around them- had all failed the audience's expectations.

Man, talk about a way to get a point across, whatever that point is.

Now I just wait for Lennik to angrily counter my post.

edited 10th Oct '13 11:19:01 PM by LDragon2

Except it's proof that Blind optimism never works, and he practically was destroying the world doing what he was doing.

Despite the Near-Impact, 2.0 ultimately ended on a positive and hopeful note.

Except it didn't, really. The first half of 2.0 is relatively positive and hopeful, and then things go to hell. Pretty much the entire second half of the movie is stuff getting worse for everyone, with only a brief Hope Spot for Shinji. And even in 2.0 it's made obvious that Shinji's moment of optimism is going to end badly for all non-Shinji people, it's only Kaworu playing Deus ex Machina that prevents 2.0 having a rocks fall, everyone dies ending.

edited 11th Oct '13 3:47:47 AM by Drakyndra

Good point. I just feel that since Kaworu appeared to have stopped the Impact before any serious damage could occur, then it still ended on a hopeful note.

Also, I really didn't care about any of the other characters except for Shinji and Rei, as they were the main two of the series up to that point. So when the world was about to end, I didn't really care about what was gonna happen to everyone else, since I was more focused on whether or not Shinji was gonna save Rei.

Now, Anno may have had this be the point. To have the viewer have the same feelings and reactions as Shinji, so as to slap both in the face with reality. If true, then I'm gonna say that he failed to deliver. While it works from a thematic POV, it doesn't work in terms of story. Because he only bothered to give those two the most development, suddenly trying to make the viewer care about the plight of a whole bunch of characters that weren't given the same treatment feels really sloppy.

edited 11th Oct '13 12:10:30 PM by LDragon2

You're repeating yourself again, Dragon.

I'd just like to say that the difference between working thematically and working in terms of story is kind of a subtle-to-non-existent one, unless we're talking about a case where something that makes sense thematically creates a bunch of plot holes, which isn't the case here.

edited 11th Oct '13 10:14:27 PM by Gilphon

Again, good point. I'm just of the opinion that one should focus on the story first, rather than the themes. If the story isn't strong, then it doesn't matter how provoking the themes are.

http://www.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/1o9md2/just_left_the_english_dub_premiere_ama_i_guess/

Today's the day of the dub premiere at NYCC and here's a minor post describing some details that the dub added in:

• Wille is pronounced 'Villa' and Wunder is pronounced in German
• They called Unit 02 with its interchangable arm 'Unit 02 Prime'
• The Wunder's crew bickers a lot
• Allusions to the repeating universe theory remain intact

edited 11th Oct '13 8:45:09 PM by JRPictures

"Villa"? Really Funimation? Though, I can't say I didn't expect the bickering.

edited 11th Oct '13 9:14:54 PM by LDragon2

Well actually as Google Translate reveals

http://translate.google.com/#de/en/wille

In German it actually translates to Villa. (It comes out as "Will" on the other side but click the listen button to hear the prounication)

Ah, I see. It's just that, having no experience with German language whatsoever, that sounds really ridiculous to me, as I've constantly been pronouncing it as "Willy".

Yeah I thought the same thing too.

But a commentor in the reddit thread mentioned that it was German, so I tested it out.

Gotta give some props to Funi for accuracy to the language.

Gotta love Woolseyism eh?

Anyways, are you gonna watch the dub?

Most likely.

I'll probably wait till the DVD is out and find a decent rip of it with dual audio. Like I did with finding the first two Rebuilds.

Pure coincidences? I highly suspect not.◊

Yeah that theory's been around for a while.

Honestly it may or may not be true. Though FINAL might possibly give answers

Whether or not it's true, I can not believe for a second that all that just pure coincidence (i.e. Anno must've deliberately put all those suspicious similarities for some reason, which includes simply trolling all the fans).

I do suspect Kaworu has some idea about the original series, but I also think that's less because he actually remembers and more because he sees everything in terms of what they represent thematically, and therefore he's able to notice when things are familiar.

Well yeah, alot of those reference must've been added on purpose.

I mean sure the red sea is justified as a result of Second Impact in Rebuild-Continuity but that blood stain across the moon must indicate something.

edited 11th Oct '13 10:50:20 PM by JRPictures

Kaworu probably knows everything. People not telling important information to those who need to know is endemic in this universe.

Not everything. He clearly doesn't know how explosive collars work, for example.