Warhammer 40,000

You going for the Blood Angels themselves or one of their Successors?

Also apparently The Adeptus Mechanicus are up after Codex: Death Guard

The Angels themselves. At least one of my DI Primaris sets will go toward them as well.

edited 22nd Aug '17 10:13:06 AM by Willbyr

@Viper Magnum 357

Yet that did not happen when the throne temporarily turned off.

It does not matter if the throne is on or off-it is an integral part of the system, and the question was what happens when it breaks, not what happens when someone switches it off or trips over the power cord. It is not some generator-closer to a cork in a bottle. As long as the integrity of the Throne is intact, the portal stays closed, even if the Astronomican is shuttered. If it breaks, the warp spills through.

IIRC it's not the Golden Throne itself that's keeping the Daemonic hordes of Chaos from invading through the portal, it's the Emperor himself who's doing that. The fear of the Throne shutting down is more about the possibility that such a thing happening for even a nanosecond would result in the Emperor's soul permanently losing its grip on his 10,000-year-old remains and pass on, making him unable to maintain both the Astronomicon and the seal on the portal.

Well, unless you're unlucky enough to cross paths with a sufficiently depraved criminal, be it in the slums of a Hive City or in the luxurious spires that house the decadent aristocracy. Or an Alien Invasion happens and the Imperium writes your planet off as "not important enough to merit immediate aid" or even forgets that said planet exists.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

I did say "usually". There are still quite a few people among the trillions in the Imperium who are depraved assholes without falling into Chaos. As for the latter part...well, that's why I said in another post that bureaucracy added a layer of horror to the Imperium that isn't quite shown in other factions.

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That's how I've always interpreted things re: Emps and the Throne.

Yeah, I was just dutifully clarifying things for anyone who might randomly pass by this page without having read previous ones.

Of course, it should go without saying that the Golden Throne temporarily shutting down recently (Where did that happen, BTW? One of the Gathering Storm/Dark Imperium novels?) demonstrated that it takes more than that to separate the Emperor's soul from where it is... if said temporary shutdown didn't strain the Emperor so much that he can't pull the same stunt if another shutdown happens "too soon" (and for all we know, it would still be too soon if it's a century or two later).

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Just wait until they install the Text to Speech Device....

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"ITHURTSITHURTSITHURTSITHURTS..."

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Going back to the hobby side of things, how would you convert Rough Rider legs?

You buy Death Riders and cry

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Alternatively, I guess you could work around something with fantasy empire knights.

The Great Northern Threadkill.

I can't help but cringe trying to imagine the punishment for tripping over the golden throne's power cord, even if you plug it right back in in time for nothing bad to happen...

Probably something like "we hand you over to the dark eldar"

edited 23rd Aug '17 12:07:56 PM by Protagonist506

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"

That or they just push you into the wood-chipper that keeps it running.

"The Emperor's first attempt at "fixing everything" involved multiple genocides and a spirited attempt to impose military dictatorship on every single human-inhabited planet in the Milky Way. I'm not sure I want to see what take 2 involves. "

and yet he create the only empire who so far have resist chaos without blowing themselves up, that is something for more awfull that it is.

About the power thone...is hard to said,guillman, Yneed and many other are what we call "control" changed it: they shake up things but just not enought to make to hard, WH 40 K is bigger and allow for things to change here an there, all while fantasy dosent really allow it(just Nagash returning create a point of not return)

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Never mind that the Heresy which nearly tore the Imperium apart, literally tore him apart, and set him and the Imperium on the path to decay and decline was in large part due to him being an asshole.

Besides, "being better than the decadent space elf empire who murder-orgied a Chaos god into existence" isn't really much of an accomplishment.

edited 23rd Aug '17 7:13:58 PM by M84

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That's just flat out not true. The Imperium have demolished tons of empires, among them the utopian warp-denying one whose names escapes me, and by all appearances the forces of Chaos were much less of a deal in the galactic scale before the Horus Heresy came along. Damn near every servant of Chaos that's not a daemon is a former Imperial.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

The interex, and yeah, the Emperor may not have managed to single-handedly create a new, awful Chaos God*, but he certainly gave a giant pile of loaded guns to the ones that were already there.

Edit: And there are a couple of minor xenos species that are affiliated with Chaos, such as the loxatl, but, well, there's a reason that the Chaos book is called "Chaos Space Marines" or "Heretic Astartes" depending on edition.

.* yet

edited 23rd Aug '17 8:06:14 PM by CountDorku

The Interex were wholly dependent on the Eldar for protection form Chaos, which is always a losing proposition. The fluff is a little better about Chaos Xenos-huge numbers of tainted Xenos appear elsewhere besides the tabletop, ranging from the usual collection of bit players to what were once major empires like the Saruthi before they got corrupted. Some of they are/were a bigger a deal than the Tau Empire, and only exceeded in their power by the major players-Orks/Necrons/Eldar.

The backdrop of Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader are built on the ruins of the Yu'vath Empire, which required a centuries long, desperate Crusade to clear out, more effort than what it would take to wipe the Tau off the map-and that was after their Empire had declined for millennia. There are plenty of other problems out there for Humanity, but this is a game designed to sell models, so the most popular are all that matters.

edited 23rd Aug '17 8:11:49 PM by ViperMagnum357

As Necromunda is getting rereleased and it is based on the 2nd Edition 40K rules, I thought that for this week’s 2nd Edition Thursday I would do something about the game and so will share some of the rules for flora and fauna of the Underhive.

The Outlanders supplement for Necromunda included rules for some animals and plants common to the Underhive. Mostly these creatures were intended for use in Games Master (known as an Arbitrator) run campaigns but some could be used in other ways,

Giant Spiders: One of the most common creatures encountered on Necromunda , with the most famous Necromundan Guard Regiment being named after them, with two of the more common being the fast hunting Wolf Spiders and the web spinning Orb Spiders. Wolf Spiders had stats of M7 WS3 BS0 S4 T3 W1 I1 A1 Ld5 while Orb Spiders had M3 WS3 BS0 S3 T3 W1 I1 A1 Ld5 with both types receiving a 6+ armour save from their thick hides. Both types of spider could move up or down any vertical or sloping surface with no penalty while Orb Spiders could move straight down 6” for no cost by using its webbing. In addition Orb Spiders were surrounded by webbing in a radius of 3” around where it was deployed. Any model moving into this area had to make an Initiative test^note i.e. rolling under their Initiative value on a D6 (2D6 if they were running) or be immobilized as if hit by a Web Pistol. Once entangled, a model would be attacked by the Orb Spider every turn, inflicting a single Strength 3 automatic hit.

Necromundan Giant Rats: Probably the most common Underhive creature after spiders, Necromundan Giant Rats are unusually intelligent have a variety of mutant sub-species and can grow up to 4 feet long (not including the tail). The native tribes of the Undehive greatly revere the Giant Rats and wear their skins as cloaks (which is why they are known as Ratskins) and they were one of the creatures that mercenary Wyrd Beastmasters^note psykers who gangs could hire could control. Necromundan Giant Rats had stats of M6 WS4 BS0 S3 T2 W1 I3 A1 Ld4 and also received a 4+ unmodifiable dodge save against any damage.

Milliasaur: Another creature that Beastmasters could control, Milliasaurs are large mutant centerpied-like creatures that can grow up to two metres in length. Milliasaurs are ambush predators who lurked in darkness before striking with a venomous bite that could paralyze all but the largest creature. The stats of a Milliasaur are M4 WS4 BS0 S1 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld4. Milliasaurs could travel up and down any sloping or vertical surface as if it were open ground. In addition whenever the Milliasaur scored a hit in combat the poisoned bite caused an automatic wound regardless of Toughness. If the poisoned model lost its last wound then you rolled on a special Injury table with results of 1-2 resulting in a Flesh Wound while a result of 3-6 sees the victim go Out of Action and is removed from play.

Ripper Jacks: The third type of creature controllable by Beastmaster Wyrds, Ripper Jacks are large bat-like creatures that envelop the head of their prey with their wings while they gouge at their eyes and face with their razor sharp teeth. Unless the Ripper Jack is removed the unfortunate victim will soon suffocate or bleed to death. Ripper Jacks have stats of M8 WS2 BS0 S1 T2 W1 I4 A1 Ld4 and could fly, allowing them to move up and down levels without using ladders. Instead of fighting normally in close combat, a Ripper Jack makes a special Envelop attack. Each Ripper Jack rolls a D6 and if the result is greater than the opponents Initiative, or a 6, then the Ripper Jack has enveloped their head. An enveloped victim falls to the floor and can do nothing until he dies or the Ripper Jack is pulled off. If the victim is engaged in hand-to-hand combat while enveloped then he counts as having WS0. In the Recovery Phase of each turn, an enveloped model rolls 2D6 and if the result is equal or lower than their Strength then the Ripper Jack is successfully removed and killed. If the score is greater than the model’s strength however then they suffer a Strength 4 hit with no armour save allowed. If an enveloped model is reduced to 0 Wounds then they automatically go Out of Action. Nearby friendly models could help the enveloped model remove the Ripper Jack, in which case the models add their Strength values together for the Strength test. Models taken Out of Action by a Ripper Jack’s envelopment rolled on a special injury table after the battle rather than the standard one with results being: 11-16 – Dead; 21-23 – Head Wound^note Roll a D6 at the start of each game: 1-3 the model suffers from Stupidity; 4-6 they suffer from Frenzy; 24-26 – Blinded in one eye^note -1 BS, a second result forces the model to retire; 31-36 – Old battle wound^note Roll a D6 before each battle a 1 means the model misses the game; 41-46 – Full recovery; 51-56 – Impressive scars^note +1 Ld. Can only apply once; 61-66 – Horrible scars^note The model causes Fear.

Wire Weed: A plant genetically altered from a death world variety, wire weed was used in ages past as living razor wire to protect important industrial and military infrastructure. Over the centuries the weed has spread through the Underhive, forming dangerous thickets that are very tough to get rid of due to their high regenerative qualities. If a model attempts to move through wire weed they have to roll a D6 as soon as they enter the thicket, as well as at the beginning of each movement phase as long as they are in the weed. If the result of the roll is a 6 then nothing happens. On a roll of 1-5 the model takes a Strength 6 hit and becomes pinned. If the model is armed with a normal sword they +1 to the roll while chainsword, power sword and power axe armed models +2. Models taken Out of Action while in the weed are killed outright and don’t roll on the Injury table after the battle. Models armed with flamers or hand flamers can burn a path through the weed and can move normally but they have to make an Ammo roll every time they move and cannot use the weapon to make shooting attacks. Flame weapons, plasma grenades and heavy plasma guns can be used to target wire weed, which has a Toughness of 4. Any section of wire weed under the template of such a weapon that suffers a wound is automatically destroyed.

edited 24th Aug '17 12:02:12 AM by SebastianGray

bollocks, the Interex, through good education campaigns and actually knowing what they're looking for, had managed to all but eliminate any sort of hold Chaos had on their society, while thousands of years in the past they probably had help from the Eldar, that is mostly them having been the true successor state to the old Empire of Man from the Dark Age of Technology, and it wasn't the Emperor who exterminated them, it was the Word Bearers since they get Horus nicked with a Chaos knife, Emps would probably have loved them (up until he learnt about the Xenos tolerance and the use of AI)

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Yeah, the friendly relations with Xenos might have been forgivable if it was something in the past, but if they were still using AI...nope. No way in hell would the Emperor have risked a repeat of the Men of Iron rebellion.

The Men of Iron were some of the most terrifying things the galaxy had ever known (which is saying something). They were even less sympathetic to organic life than the Necrons. Which makes sense since the Necrons at least were once living flesh and blood and are merely full conversion cyborgs, while the Men of Iron were machines from the start.

The Men of Iron had no qualms about unleashing sun-killing superweapons during their rebellion, and they fueled themselves by devouring the very fabric of reality itself. They were even worse than the Tyranids, which "only" ate organic material. The Men of Iron ate existence.

The Emperor, being one of the only people who was around when that rebellion occurred, would have done everything in his power to make dead certain nothing like that could happen again.

edited 24th Aug '17 1:55:00 AM by M84

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you got a source for that? cos the only two sources I have for Men of Iron (First and Only and an old 40k comic) show them as, well, robots, in the first they're Chaos corrupted, and in the second they're just homicidal near unlimited hordes

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The info comes from the Heresy audio drama "Perpetual".

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