No 40K thread yet? I'm surprised. Nay, shocked, shocked I say to discover there's gambling going on in this establishment...
I'm eagerly anticipating the imminent 5th Edition release, personally, but I was interested to know if anyone here plays and has a differing opinion on it. There are certainly plenty of people out there who seem to think that 40K 4th edition "only just" came out and that a new edition isn't needed. Anyone?
Warhammer Fantasy (including Age of Sigmar and WFRP) has its own thread here
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Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:37:34 PM
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actually is since the horus heresy were Vect size comorragh from the solar cult and the nobles into the kabals of today, wht I said is that the dark eldar dosent have any issue using aliens as mercenaries or devolping new way to torment, they are a vibriant civilization rather than unchaning one.
in a way, the darl eldar and the craftworld one are chaos vs order.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Oh, bother.
The Imperium does the same thing. For all their xenophobic propaganda, they actually engage in Realpolitik. They are stagnant and decaying because a lot of the driving forces behind innovation and such are tied to the Chaos gods. It's the same reason the Craftworlders lead such repressed, specialized, and monastic lives.
Vecht seizing power is not a sign of innovation — it's just one asshole usurping other assholes. Drukhari "civilization" is otherwise very much what it was when the Empire fell. It's a massive cult dedicated to indulgence — the only change is the Thirst they feel as Slaanesh slowly drains them dry. Space Elf Vampires FTW.
They are a force of Disorder, but in their own way, they are as stagnant as the Craftworlders.
edited 21st Jul '17 10:56:51 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
While it is unofficial, some Fanon does depict the Rainbow Warriors as
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You know, it's a shame Cawl didn't just take his innovations and go 'oh yeah I found a bunch of STC's and kept them to myself.' He might be Fabricator General now.
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Oh, bother.
While it's implied that other cogboys tend to mask actual inventions with "Oh I totally found some STC blueprints" and everyone else just kind of goes along with it since the shit is useful, Cawl's stuff would break their Willing Suspension of Disbelief.
That and Cawl is socially maladjusted even by cogboy standards and wouldn't even bother with such excuses in the first place.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
....declare Cawl a STC?
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Oh, bother.
At this point I would not be surprised if Cawl turned out to be an ancient Man of Iron disguised as a cogboy.
So the pre-orders are out for the new Space Marine codex, and it launches like...two days into the new global campaign.
Here's to hoping it doesn't make Codex Marines too OP, I guess?
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Well there has been a leak of some images from the new Codex (the site is in Spanish I think but the images are of the English book), so you can see some of the new stuff for yourself.
Field Marshal of Cracked
woo! Blood Ravens are mentioned!
advancing the front into TV Tropes
They got their first Codex mention in the 4th Edition Codex so that is hardly big news.
Field Marshal of Cracked
and have been more or less ignored (really dumb business decision there if you ask me) for the last 3
advancing the front into TV Tropes
Speaking of ADB, from his Facebook:
Apparently Girlyman forgot something in his Big Book of War
edited 22nd Jul '17 8:51:48 AM by math792d
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
They were also in the 5th Edition book and, while I can't find my copy to check, I am pretty sure they were in the 6th Edition book as well, in the Unknown Founding section.
Blood Ravens were also mentioned in the 7th edition codex regarding Chapter Tactics for Chapters with unknown progenitors.
edited 22nd Jul '17 9:01:53 AM by BlackSunNocturne
But their progenitors aren't unknown, they're just traitors 
edited 22nd Jul '17 9:03:10 AM by math792d
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Ah right thanks, I had thought they had got a brief mention somewhere in that book but wasn't sure where.
Hinted at. Officially it is unknown.
edited 22nd Jul '17 9:04:28 AM by SebastianGray
I know. I'm just making bad jokes.
Though I'm pretty sure Avitus is a well-hidden World Eater.
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
I thought you were joking but you never can tell sometimes with the fandom. I have met too many people who think that popular fanon is canon.
I have to say, the more I think about them, the more I dislike the Primaris marines.
I try not to ride the space marine hate-train. I don't hate them. But yeah, they're the poster boys and they get shilled the most. The Primaris marines are just...why? They're more super-duper ultra-elite than the super-duper ultra-elite marines. And they're not just a new unit in the marine codex, it's like they're a new army within the codex. They have, what—troops, jump squads, heavy weapon squads, melee squads, elite heavy-armor squads, walkers, tanks...
It's like if you're a space marine player already, well guess what, your army is just second rate to these guys. Are they hoping to for marine players completely replace their armies with super-marines?
It's like if the Ynnari weren't just a couple of new models, but superior aspect warriors not only better at their jobs than normal aspect warriors but without the Crippling Overspecialization, with improved wave serpents, falcons, and wraith units. Eldrad had them parked in a secret wraithbone garage a few centuries back.
Or the Elitum Supremius Maxium Astra Miltarcanumicusanicus, from the planet Marius Sueicus where every guardsman is space marine-grade badass and they build the shadow-blade-storm-bane-lord tanks that have fifty "barrels of hell".
edited 22nd Jul '17 9:21:41 AM by Rotpar
Not...really? I mean, they have an extra wound and on occasion some slightly better guns, but you pay out the nosehole for them, they aren't as flexible, and they can't mechanize at all, though that's probably going to get sorted.
Primaris Marines aren't going to out-and-out replace regular Space Marines any more than Grey Knights are going to outcompete Space Marines because they're strictly better note than their Codex brethren. Or that people are going to switch to Custodians because they're basically ubermarines, too.
They're more akin to Space Marine Aspect Warriors, really - extremely specialized, with limited wargear and tactical options compared to their Space Marine brethren.
And they're still lacking any kind of Vanguard Veteran or Terminator-like assault force. Almost all their options are either shooty or rely on masses of attacks (like Reivers) over power weapons.
edited 22nd Jul '17 9:25:23 AM by math792d
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
Basically Classic Coke Astartes are a Swiss Army Knife. New Coke Astartes are a big ol' Hammer.
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To be fair, I can see why its only advice to enormous, terrifying, superhumanly strong warriors on dealing with tiny, fragile babies would be "Be somewhere else".
And for all their genetic engineering and gear, Primaris marines still have inferior stats to ol' Iron Hand Straken.
Orks are less innovation and adaptation and more "'Ey Boss! Look a dis fing Big Mek Gurrstak cooked up! Puts out a whole lotsa dakka, it does". And Tyranids does apply, but isn't quite the same thing. Speaking of which, have new units been introduced over the editions with the fluff being of adapting to other specific factions or situations?
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