Warhammer 40,000

I remember hearing about him before the Horus Heresy novels started. So he was probably a bit character (obviously, since he's not a Black Legion member, or named Kharn/Typhus/Fabulous Bile) and got his role massively expanded with the HH.

edited 28th Nov '16 7:51:24 AM by BlackSunNocturne

Looking into it, he is apparently mentioned in the IA article (although I can't find him in it) but all the information in the entry was from the Heresy books, nothing from the 40K era so the information belongs on the Heresy page. The origin of the character isn't what decides what goes where, the origin of the tropes does.

EDIT: It seems his post-Heresy actions are from the Eye of Terror worldwide campaign which is now officially non-canon but even if it wasn't there probably aren't enough tropes for an entry on the Chaos marine page.

edited 28th Nov '16 8:09:48 AM by SebastianGray

He does appear in the Word Bearers novels, admittedly only for a handful of pages in the third volume, so probably not enough for a trope entry, no.

edited 28th Nov '16 10:31:57 AM by CountDorku

One day, i'll be done.◊

One day.

What the heck is the big model in the back with the sword and handcannon?

edited 30th Nov '16 2:44:30 AM by chaosconsortium

http://dreamforge-games.com/products/valkir-assault-trooper-display-model

That would be this guy!

I wasn't expecting him to be quite so big when I got him, though. :o

Holy...crap. I've got all the sub-assemblies glued for the Ghost Ark, and this thing is going to be a bitch to paint...close to 30 pieces.

Yep. I have often found that some of the nicest models are the biggest pain to paint.

Are those Valkir things 40K, or some other IP?

More than likely. It's kinda like how my Scibor Miniatures model isn't 40k, but clearly supposed to be used with it.

Dreamforge do actually have a game system to go with their models.

which is why I am dreading getting that Imperial Knight... it is going to be a BITCH to paint.... doubly so since I'm going to be doing a custom Knight house

With the exception of my general dislike of painting anything larger than a Dreadnought, I found the Knight to be relatively easy to put together and paint.

For today's 2nd Edition Thursday: Daemon Summoning.

As with some other Editions, Daemons from 2nd Edition had to be summoned to the battle rather than deployed normally and to do this the Chaos player had to earn Summoning Points. Summing Points were earned in different ways for the followers of the different gods: Khornate Summoning Points were earned in close combat with 1 point earned for every hit scored by a general Chaos model while models with a Mark of Khorne earned 2 Summoning Points per hit; Tzeentchian Summoning Points were earned through the use of psychic powers with 1 point earned for every Force Card used to cast a psychic power by either side while models with a Mark of Tzeentch earned 2 Summoning Points per Force Card used; Nurglite Summoning Points were earned through wounds with 1 point earned for every wound scored on an enemy model by a general Chaos model while models with a Mark of Nurgle earned 2 Summoning Points per wound (hand-to-hand combat wounds would therefore earn both Khornate & Nurglite Summoning Points if they wounded); Slaaneshi Summoning Points were earned every time an enemy unit took a Leadership test for any reason with the number of Slaaneshi Summoning Points earned being equal to half the Leadership value of the enemy music (rounding up). If a unit/model with a Mark of Slaanesh caused the Leadership test then the number of Summoning Points was equal to the enemy's Leadership. Earned Summoning Points could only be used to summon Daemons of the gods they were earned through (so Khornate Summoning Points could only summon Daemons of Khorne etc.)

Once Summoning Points are earned the Chaos player could use them to summon Daemons at the end of any of their Psychic Phases. It used to cost 2 Summoning Points to bring a regular Daemon to the battlefield while it took 10 Points to summon a Greater Daemon. Any points not spent were saved for future turns. Summoned Daemons or Greater Daemons were placed anywhere within 6" of a model with the same Mark as the god they follow and at least 1 " away from any enemy models. Greater Daemons were treated as characters and moved individually while regular Daemons had to be summoned in units of 3 or more (meaning you needed at least 6 Summoning Points to summon regular daemons) and had to be placed in squad coherency with each other. In addition all Daemons of the same type summoned in the same turn had to be formed into a single unit so you couldn't summon 2 units of three daemons in a single turn, they had to be formed into a single 6 daemon unit (daemons were bought individually during 2nd Edition rather than in squads).

Daemons could also be brought to the battlefield through possession rather than summoning. At the end of the psychic phase, the Chaos player could choose to have their daemons posses models with the same Mark as their god. Regular Daemons could possess any such model while Greater Daemons could only possess Chaos Champions, Sorcerers or Lords. The possessed model was killed instantly and replaced by the daemon model (regular daemons still had to appear in squads of 3 or more) and can be placed in hand-to-hand combat if the possessed model had been in combat. Models lost in this way count as having been killed for victory points purposes but don't count cause Break tests for loosing models.

Daemons could also attempt to possess enemy models that attempt to teleport. To do so the Chaos player rolled a D6 for each model that teleported in any way during a battle (such as Warp Spiders making Warp Jumps, Terminators arriving via teleport or through using psychic powers that cause teleportation). On a roll of 2-6 nothing happened. On a roll of a 1 the model had been was killed and replaced by a daemon model (again regular daemons had to appear in squads of 3). Grey Knights and Inquisitors of the Ordo Malleus were immune to this form of possession.

Daemons could only appear on the battlefield if there were models with the Mark of their god on the battlefield and if, at any time, the last model with their Mark is removed from the battlefield then the daemons are immediately banished back to the warp and removed as well.

More proof that we are in the dark timeline. Sir Pterry almost wrote Warhammer fiction.

That is a little sad. I remember an interview with Sir Terry where the interviewer asked what he would be doing with his time if he hadn't become a writer and his answer was painting Warhammer miniatures.

Duncan did a series of videos on assembling and painting Knights that might be helpful: 1, 2, 3, 4

...I have...no idea, what a Warhammer novel written by Pratchett would have been like xD

I've read some of Kilworth's books though, he was a pretty good writer.

My first mental image for Pratchett-penned 40K is something not too different to Ciaphas Cain, only a lot angrier about how the Imperium typically operates.

It would have been Warhammer Fantasy though.

Still though. That would have been awesome

Say, I've been thinking... Do you think things in the WH40K setting — particularly the Horus Heresy and onwards — could've turned out very differently (like, no Crapsack World ending) if the Emperor had a Queen Serenity-like superhuman woman at his side as his de facto wife? And each of the Primarchs was paired with a similarly superhuman sister who acts as a moderating counterbalance to him? And the Empress consort convinced Emps to not be a blindly self-righteous massive douchebag of a Well-Intentioned Extremist?

For the record, the idea is partly inspired by the Lovehammer franchise of WH40K/Sailor Moon fanfics, only those have Emps be a father figure to a reincarnated Princess Serenity (occasionally because Queen Serenity pleaded with Emps from across their universes to do so), and the similarly reincarnated Sailor Soldiers are the ones who serve as sister figures to the Primarchs they're paired with (e.g. Sailor Saturn with Mortarion, which as fitting as the mental image is shocking).

edited 1st Dec '16 10:53:53 AM by MarqFJA

Well, that also reminds me of the Warhammer High series. But in all honesty.... It may have turned out better, if only because he'd have someone to go "you're a fucking idiot" to him.

Because 90% of the shit that happened bad in 40k could have been prevented if Big E wasn't a self-righteous douchebag.

edited 1st Dec '16 11:29:53 AM by BlackSunNocturne

those ideas are heresy, please report yourself to your local Commissar

No need. *cocks gun* BLAM

<raises eyebrow while an incorporeal blazingly-golden aquila figure is burning in the air and the melted remains of a boltpistol shell fall to the ground> Huh. That's a new one. Um, thank you, Emperor of Mankind?

Here is a pic of the last First Founding Chapter in my project to paint the Space Marine Chapters, a Blood Angel of the 3rd Company, the Ironhelms.

I used the moulded shoulder pad from the Blood Angels Tactical Marines set rather than attempting to freehand the symbol but I did freehand the Company blood drop.