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This is the thread for discussion of The Order of the Stick plot, characters, etc. We have a separate thread for discussing game rules and mechanics. Excessive rules discussions here may be thumped as off-topic.

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Gilphon Since: Oct, 2009
#31077: Sep 1st 2014 at 1:15:04 PM

Both options makes sense to me, really. Like, I have no problem with dismissing this strip as nothing more than a botched punchline, but I also think it's a bit early to look at where stuff like that is going.

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#31078: Sep 1st 2014 at 1:58:43 PM

The way I read it, Durkula's cadence does make the sentence sound like, "Hell no! Thor won't go". His speech bubble at the end shows how he means it - the prayer is deliberate obfuscation.

The joke is still dodgy, though. In terms of kind-of-forced jokes, better than Larry Gardner, not as good as Fruit Pie the Sorcerer.

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.
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#31079: Sep 2nd 2014 at 1:09:20 AM

I think otherwise. I actually liked Larry Gardener, but Fruit Pie Sorcerer falls completely flat for me, even more than this one.

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#31080: Sep 2nd 2014 at 4:34:06 AM

Which one was Fruit Pie Sorcerer again?

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#31081: Sep 2nd 2014 at 6:10:12 AM

Proof That I am Deeply Disturbed. (And before you ask, that's the name of the strip.)

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#31082: Sep 2nd 2014 at 7:18:48 AM

I love the Fruit Pie the Sorcerer one, because I read comics and remember those old Hostess ads.

Hostess Fruit Pies are the greatest superhero ever known to man.

edited 2nd Sep '14 7:19:26 AM by TobiasDrake

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#31083: Sep 2nd 2014 at 7:35:17 AM

Not very funny, but not terrible either.

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#31084: Sep 2nd 2014 at 9:03:34 AM

For me, at least, "Fruit Pie the Sorcerer" doesn't work simply because I lack the reference for it: I have no idea where the joke is, because I don't think that I've ever seen one of the referenced ads(?) to which it refers.

(I think that someone once explained it to me, but if so I seem to have forgotten said explanation.)

As to Durkula's chant, I get that, it just comes across as horribly forced to my mind's ear.

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#31086: Sep 2nd 2014 at 11:18:36 AM

I didn't know the specific reference when I read the fruit pie strip, but it still worked for me because I was at least familiar with "anthropomorphic snack food saves day by giving snacks to people" advertisements. Sugary breakfast cereals used to do when whenever they weren't doing the "children attempt petty theft from cereal mascot rather than go to the grocery store or vice versa" one.

Sorta like how this comic still worked for me despite having never played D&D up until a couple months ago because I was still familiar with general RPG and fantasy tropes through other sources.

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#31087: Sep 2nd 2014 at 11:37:05 AM

I'm sort of familiar with the joke since I remember a parody from Dexter's Lab, but it's still not exactly funny. It didn't fall as flat as this joke, though, because this one was just too unnatural.

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#31088: Sep 2nd 2014 at 12:30:24 PM

I find it funny because I've seen fruit pies like that for forever.

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#31089: Sep 2nd 2014 at 12:37:01 PM

Yes, the pies last forever. tongue

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#31090: Sep 2nd 2014 at 3:35:53 PM

@The Hero (appropriately enough :P): Aah, I see—thank you for the explanation. ^_^

@Wryte: Strangely, I'd be surprised if there hadn't been at least some commercials along those lines—cereal in particular—over here, but my memory isn't managing to dredge up a good reference for one.

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#31091: Sep 3rd 2014 at 9:23:11 AM

31083: What makes it bad is Rich waiting 2+ weeks (?) and this is all we get; also, even for Roy, the cadence is too off.

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#31092: Sep 3rd 2014 at 9:51:02 AM

Could be that Durkula is intentionally saying it with a rhythm that makes it sound like what Roy concluded. I mean, if you're already willing to make that convoluted wording...

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#31094: Sep 3rd 2014 at 10:59:11 AM

Honestly, I'd just write it off as text bubbles "sounding" like whatever the plot needs them to sound like. (See: every comic-based case of Samus Is a Girl ever.)

I noted that this isn't a trope we have in another thread, so someone really ought to take it to YKTTW.

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#31095: Sep 3rd 2014 at 11:04:08 AM

I personally find it difficult to conceive that Roy would even know about Hel; even if the stresses on the words sound strange to him, he'd probably have heard it as 'hell', anyway.

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#31096: Sep 3rd 2014 at 11:10:00 AM

Considering that Roy has no ranks in Knowledge (Religion), this can be seen as the result of a badly failed untrained skill check, combined with what seems like deliberate obfuscation on Durkula's part.

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#31097: Sep 3rd 2014 at 11:18:08 AM

I figure his chanting is a kind of droning, monotonous "go-hel-know-thor-won't-go-hel-know-thor-won't." If Roy came in in the middle, it would be easy enough to hear it how he did.

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#31098: Sep 3rd 2014 at 11:21:52 AM

As to the 'this took 2+ weeks' bit, I'd like to believe that's because he's trying to knuckle down on some the Kickstarter PDFs.

Alternatively, it could be one of those good old 'I still can't come up with anything good, but it's gotten to point where I simply don't have time to think about it anymore' writer's block problems.

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#31099: Sep 3rd 2014 at 11:25:52 AM

Rich admitted to suffering a bit from work overload in a recent backer update.

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#31100: Sep 3rd 2014 at 12:46:16 PM

Considering that Roy has no ranks in Knowledge (Religion), this can be seen as the result of a badly failed untrained skill check, combined with what seems like deliberate obfuscation on Durkula's part.

Now that you mention it, the whole party has had pretty shitty Listen scores since Dorukan's Dungeon too.

edited 3rd Sep '14 12:46:25 PM by TobiasDrake

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